Name the last team to win anything with a winger as it's best player
- clark_griswold

Lanny McDonald with the Flames?

Name the last team to win anything with a winger as it's best player
- clark_griswold

This is the same thought I have and I was getting crap for saying Kessel probably doesn't crack my top 60

Name the last team to win anything with a winger as it's best player
- clark_griswold

Not an absolute. But, your pretty close to the truth, championship teams all seem to have a great #1 center, a top #1 Dman and good goaltending. If you have that you can figure out how to fill in the gaps. If you don't have those three ingrediants it will be hard to win in playoffs.

Yeah that was kinda rough but, the kid suffers major shrinkage in the playoffs.
- glove_was_stuck

I didn't really get the diss so I just gave it a middle of the road reply. Thannks for the follow up. Now I have proper context.

Sick burn (frank)er XD

faceoffs have no correlation to possession? That's rich.

If you want to say over the course of a season, the difference between 49% and 51% has no significant impact on possession, than I can at least think that is plausible.

Winning a faceoff is directly correlated to possession. Can't be argued.
- Tumbleweed

MTL FO% 54.1 - 1st in NHL
MTL CF% 49.1 - 21st in NHL

Southeast Division Champs, brah. Leafs never won one of those bad boys. Gutter franchise.


- eichiefs9

hey don't have to remind me this...i've been hated on these boards by saying the leafs would be a bottom 5 team this year from the preseason.

point is washington is going nowhere with ovie as leader but that's besides the point.

This is the same thought I have and I was getting crap for saying Kessel probably doesn't crack my top 60
- Feds91Stammer

i said kessel would come in around 40-45 for me. And i think he's probably a top 5 winger.

i said kessel would come in around 40-45 for me. And i think he's probably a top 5 winger.
- clark_griswold

Definitely

theres your problem right there
- drexel

Nah.

Hall and nuge are better players and drive possession. But he's a true scorer with amazing hands.
Teams need those guys.

We could deal him, but then we'd just be looking for another.


I didn't think I needed to clarify the differences between halls impact and eberle. But this is hockeybuzz after all

MTL FO% 54.1 - 1st in NHL
MTL CF% 49.1 - 21st in NHL
- Feds91Stammer

I can agree that winning face-offs does not guarantee overall positive possession #'s for a team. there are probably hundreds of other factors that lead to a team's overall possession figure.

By definition, winning a face-off means you have possession. this is indisputable.

Nah.

Hall and nuge are better players and drive possession. But he's a true scorer with amazing hands.
Teams need those guys.

We could deal him, but then we'd just be looking for another.


I didn't think I needed to clarify the differences between halls impact and eberle. But this is hockeybuzz after all
- hugefemaledog77

Who should they move? Petry. Jultz? Yakupov?

hey don't have to remind me this...i've been hated on these boards by saying the leafs would be a bottom 5 team this year from the preseason.

point is washington is going nowhere with ovie as leader but that's besides the point.
- clark_griswold

It was a joke The joke being that it would have been impossible to with a Southeast Division title. I wasn't actually calling the Leafs a gutter franchise.

I can agree that winning face-offs does not guarantee overall positive possession #'s for a team. there are probably hundreds of other factors that lead to a team's overall possession figure.

By definition, winning a face-off means you have possession. this is indisputable.
- Tumbleweed

Yes it may give you possession for a few seconds but the point is that faceoffs are one of the most overrated stats out there.

It was a joke The joke being that it would have been impossible to with a Southeast Division title. I wasn't actually calling the Leafs a gutter franchise.
- eichiefs9

but...they....are

but...they....are
- clark_griswold

I guess. Seems like they're about to embrace it and rebuild the right way though.

In the short term...beat the piss out of the Rags tonight, please.

Who should they move? Petry. Jultz? Yakupov?
- Feds91Stammer

but...they....are
- clark_griswold

Definitely.

Who should they move? Petry. Jultz? Yakupov?
- Feds91Stammer

Petry will only be moved if he's refusing to resign. Which I'm starting to think is exactly the case. Our defence only gets worse without him.
And it's already terrible.

Jultz I dunno. He can still be a great offensive dman. If hes sheltered abit 5v5 and doesn't ask for a huge raise, he can be usefull to us.

Yaks? Well he's the guy I'd move. But his value is far lower than his potential.and his potential is absolutely still there. But somethings missing. Patience is needed...
I'd do it for the right price for sure, but not just for the sake of a low pick and a 3rd line plug

I guess. Seems like they're about to embrace it and rebuild the right way though.

In the short term...beat the piss out of the Rags tonight, please.
- eichiefs9

and thank the lord...but so many fans were at first against a full rebuild. I don't get what they are clinging to; but i digress...

Yes it may give you possession for a few seconds but the point is that faceoffs are one of the most overrated stats out there.
- Feds91Stammer

to the extent that you are average than yes, they probably don't have a significant impact on games over the course of the season.

They do matter if you are really good or really bad.

- dothedougie

You're an idiot if you think mact is part of the problem.
He hasn't even had the job for 2 seasons and inherited a garbage fire.

Say something original and usefull. Don't take other hockeybuzz posters word as gospel. It makes u look foolish

- dothedougie

- dothedougie

ah heh heh heh heh.

You're an idiot if you think mact is part of the problem.
He hasn't even had the job for 2 seasons and inherited a garbage fire.

Say something original and usefull. Don't take other hockeybuzz posters word as gospel. It makes u look foolish
- hugefemaledog77

Take a joke

Petry will only be moved if he's refusing to resign. Which I'm starting to think is exactly the case. Our defence only gets worse without him.
And it's already terrible.

Jultz I dunno. He can still be a great offensive dman. If hes sheltered abit 5v5 and doesn't ask for a huge raise, he can be usefull to us.

Yaks? Well he's the guy I'd move. But his value is far lower than his potential.and his potential is absolutely still there. But some things missing. Patience I suppose.
I'd do it for the right price for sure, but not just for the sake of a low pick and a 3rd line plug
- hugefemaledog77

I'd move Hall.

He has the fire but he breaks easy. We are used to playing without him. If he is gone Yak gets more responsibility. Period.
Also he is a female dog. Also he doesn't want to be here.
Its all a matter of time before he is gone.

Sell high. Look at what return Kane is going to fetch