He is right....everyone knows the Blackhawks are great because they drafted Kane and Toews after developing Keith and Seabrooke.....too bad the Oilers didnt draft a stud pair sometime between 2007 and 2009,eh?

Now its too late and our new GM will have to make sure his since drafted d develop.
- Jeropotato

Kane can be compared to hall.

Toews in a different universe than both.

Ok, then I have to ask b/c I have seen numerous Oil fans post that they want NHL players and not prospects. If you're plan is to be patient with your young D, then why would you not want prospects in a deal involving Ebs or potentially Hall? The way I see it, in your scenario you keep Hall/Ebs/Nuge for the next 4-5 years (while their contracts are manageable) but the D continues to suck and the team suffers as a result. Then as the young D matures the Hall/Ebs/Nuge players are due for new contracts with nice bumps in AAV. It doesn't make sense to me but maybe I'm missing what you guys are trying to accomplish b/c from what I see you want your glaring holes at C and G filled but won't trade anyone to fill them, yet all the while expecting different results on the ice.
- uf1910

because we have those building blocks that we'd just be resetting and hopefully refilling over time. What's confusing about this?

You're asking the oilers to take 3 steps back? How does this make any sense at all?

"So uve filled these building blocks, but because u need to wait on others, u should tear it down again and trade your 22 year olds"

steve simmons roundup

Untouchables: Morgan Rielly, James van Riemsdyk

For sale: Cody Franson, Mike Santorelli, Daniel Winnik, Joffrey Lupul, Tyler Bozak (the Blackhawks, Ducks, Jets, and maybe the Bruins and Canucks should be interested) and Roman Polak.

Leafs still believe in … sort of: Jonathan Bernier (the goalie market is soft, so a trade seems out of the question), Nazem Kadri and Jake Gardiner.

For sale – but likely in the offseason: Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf

‘The Luongo Problem’ – His contract sucks: David Clarkson, who also has a no-movement clause.

The rest who are likely to stay: Leo Komarov, Peter Holland, Richard Panik and Stephane Robidas.
- Flyfreaky

Jvr nets a huge return...leafs will suck for at least the remainder of his sweet deal...move him

Kane can be compared to hall.

Toews in a different universe than both.
- clark_griswold

If PKane can be like Hall I think Nuge can be like Toews, all he needs is the super soldier serum and some magic beans

Jvr nets a huge return...leafs will suck for at least the remainder of his sweet deal...move him
- clark_griswold

i agree with this 100%

Jeff Gordon of the St. Louis Post Dispatch: With Kevin Shattenkirk out for a while, the Blues could look at bringing in a defenseman. Potential targets that are believed to be available: Zybnek Michalek, Tyler Myers, Dion Phaneuf, Cody Franson, Mike Green, Keith Yandle, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Andrej Sekera, Jordan Leopold, Jeff Petry and Kimmo Timonen.

Ask yourself, how often do "True #1 stud (d-man) get traded? If you can answer that question then you should be able to tell me who the last one who was dealt was b/c I sure as hell can't remember. When these guys get drafted, those teams don't let them go and if they do they trade them while they are still "potential" #1 D like Chara when he was dealt
- uf1910

Pronger.

But what's your point?

I've never suggested they do.

i agree with this 100%
- Flyfreaky

Im just a realist...which leaf fans hate me for. Sorry but we wont be good in 2-3 years. Real sorry.

Im just a realist...which leaf fans hate me for. Sorry but we wont be good in 2-3 years. Real sorry.
- clark_griswold

plus you'd score a huge haul for jVr

Ok, then I have to ask b/c I have seen numerous Oil fans post that they want NHL players and not prospects. If you're plan is to be patient with your young D, then why would you not want prospects in a deal involving Ebs or potentially Hall? The way I see it, in your scenario you keep Hall/Ebs/Nuge for the next 4-5 years (while their contracts are manageable) but the D continues to suck and the team suffers as a result. Then as the young D matures the Hall/Ebs/Nuge players are due for new contracts with nice bumps in AAV. It doesn't make sense to me but maybe I'm missing what you guys are trying to accomplish b/c from what I see you want your glaring holes at C and G filled but won't trade anyone to fill them, yet all the while expecting different results on the ice.
- uf1910

Its not that hard to see. We dont really need anymore draft picks. We see our future core as
Hall Nuge Eberle
___ Draisaitl Yakupov
Klefbom Nurse
Marincin Schultz

You can disagree but those 9 players we feel will be good enough once they hit their primes.....IN THE MEANTIME we need some veteran stop gap players, and some younger veteran insurance pieces in case one or more don't work out. We have plenty of prospects to replace the current bottom pair and bottom 6 forwards so we dont really need to draft anymore.

So thats it. These are the guys were building around,these are the horses were betting on, if you dont think they are going to be that good then fine. You might not be able to wrap your head around it but a Christian Erhoff or a Francois Beuchemin type would actually would do more for us at the moment then a Seth Jones, and although those guys are not easy to get, they wouldnt cost us Hall or Eberle either.
As for giving up pieces....MacT has already stated he was willing to move the pick as long as it for a player that was Young, established enough to help us now, and good enough to make an impact on this team for the next 5+ years.....any takers?

plus you'd score a huge haul for jVr
- Flyfreaky

With his age and deal...i bet he gets close to and possibly more than kessel. No joke. Jvr comes with no baggage, 1 year older and half the price. Plus hes a big bodied guy.

Krug, a prospect and pick? Lol, thanks for verifying the illegitimacy of this rumor.

because we have those building blocks that we'd just be resetting and hopefully refilling over time. What's confusing about this?

You're asking the oilers to take 3 steps back? How does this make any sense at all?
- hugefemaledog77

No, I feel ridiculous writing this but seriously. Look at your place in the standings, the steps backward have already been taken. My point is about the future, the 4-5 years future when your projected young D have developed into studs.

I guess my issue with Oil fans is you guys keep expecting to fill your holes but won't trade or give anything to fill them, and even then you only want today studs not potential studs. Basically you guys are trying a piece together a rebuild on the fly by filling the toughest positions to get but not willing to give up the value on your roster. I know you guys have plenty of talent in your prospect pool, I just don't see the sense in waiting out the best years of Hall/Ebs while that D develops.

With his age and deal...i bet he gets close to and possibly more than kessel. No joke. Jvr comes with no baggage, 1 year older and half the price. Plus hes a big bodied guy.
- clark_griswold

a big bodied guy that plays like a frail body guy

plus you'd score a huge haul for jVr
- Flyfreaky

how big....???

Bailey for JVR ....

Jeff Gordon of the St. Louis Post Dispatch: With Kevin Shattenkirk out for a while, the Blues could look at bringing in a defenseman. Potential targets that are believed to be available: Zybnek Michalek, Tyler Myers, Dion Phaneuf, Cody Franson, Mike Green, Keith Yandle, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Andrej Sekera, Jordan Leopold, Jeff Petry and Kimmo Timonen.
- Flyfreaky

Well that sure narrows it down

how big....???

Bailey for JVR ....
- Ur Not Me

probably not that huge

Well that sure narrows it down
- saskoil21

gordon loves to cover all the bases

Pronger.

But what's your point?

I've never suggested they do.
- hugefemaledog77

Good call on Pronger. StL was stupid to deal him in the first place. He asked out of Edm if I remember correctly.

My point was made in a different post but basically it is about you guys waiting on your prospects to develop to fill the holes you need at D and C yet you don't want to deal an Ebs for a potential stud to add to that development pipeline. The current "studs" don't get moved so I agree your best bet is to let the Nurse's etc develop into those roles, but by waiting for that development you are basically rebuilding of sorts which is why I don't understand the refusal to deal either Hall or Ebs.

how big....???

Bailey for JVR ....
- Ur Not Me

I do think nyi is the perfect partner for jvr. Hes no rental. He'd be on the top line for years at 4$ mil. Plus his playoff numbers are great.

probably not that huge
- Flyfreaky

we are talking huge such as L. Schenn for JVR

Faceoffs have little to no correlation to possession and penalty killing is not a skill.
- Feds91Stammer

- SpoiledByOil

You want to take a crack at this one too?

No, I feel ridiculous writing this but seriously. Look at your place in the standings, the steps backward have already been taken. My point is about the future, the 4-5 years future when your projected young D have developed into studs.

I guess my issue with Oil fans is you guys keep expecting to fill your holes but won't trade or give anything to fill them, and even then you only want today studs not potential studs. Basically you guys are trying a piece together a rebuild on the fly by filling the toughest positions to get but not willing to give up the value on your roster. I know you guys have plenty of talent in your prospect pool, I just don't see the sense in waiting out the best years of Hall/Ebs while that D develops.
- uf1910

plenty in the prospect pool?

Who is even in halls stratosphere that we have?
Eberle ' s?

Even yaks hasn't proven he can be a scorer. We deal ebs, were totally fuked.

Which stud player do we want for nothing? Where did u come up with that?

Wasting halls best years? So he's done at 25?
If you're trying to say tear it down and hope we can refill those spots, I think that it silly.

Potential studs for current ones? How does this make us better, other than rolling the dice again?

Here's what I think; outsiders think the problem is the kids. It's not. it's the insulation they never had and since we can't sign big names or even trade for ones with ntc's, we wait and try and fill holes through the draft.
Redoing this process isn't in any way more prudent than the direction they've already decided on

Good call on Pronger. StL was stupid to deal him in the first place. He asked out of Edm if I remember correctly.

My point was made in a different post but basically it is about you guys waiting on your prospects to develop to fill the holes you need at D and C yet you don't want to deal an Ebs for a potential stud to add to that development pipeline. The current "studs" don't get moved so I agree your best bet is to let the Nurse's etc develop into those roles, but by waiting for that development you are basically rebuilding of sorts which is why I don't understand the refusal to deal either Hall or Ebs.
- uf1910

because then we've maybe filled other holes, but now we need a hall and an Eberle.