nope....two of those 4 are top pair quality,whether you like them or not, unless you have extensive scouting reports on them. I suppose I could just ask you where those 4 project to impact at the NHL level?
- Jeropotato

Nurse the best of the 4 prospects. Nurse a 2-3 dman. Jones a #1.

nope....two of those 4 are top pair quality,whether you like them or not, unless you have extensive scouting reports on them. I suppose I could just ask you where those 4 project to impact at the NHL level?
- Jeropotato

I would put Oilers future defense just a bit ahead of the Leafs.
Nurse and Rielly, to me are both future top pairing guys.

Klef and Marincin are ahead of Finn and Percy.

Valiev and Loov though have really blossomed and could overtake Finn and Percy on depth chart.

Is he way ahead? Yes. Hes in his 2nd year plaing all key minutes.

Nowhere did i say no need. For hall. More of a need for jones than hall IMO. Much more.
- clark_griswold

Thats where youre wrong. We have a lot of quality young defensive depth in the system...none as good as jones, but there is wealth there.....up front we can barely fill 2 lines from our entire system chart.

We understand what you are saying, but its clear your not all that familiar with the Oilers needs now or 3 years down the road. Sorry Bubba...you gotta do more research.

We don't score much either.

Your basic premise is valid on franchise defenders, but it's not based on facts at this point.
But a true proven stud for hall ++? Sure.

But jones is not that yet. Hall is better than Seth Jones as of today.

And we have no one that could fill halls role in the system.
But nurse might be comparable to jones going forward. And based on the conjecture uve used, this is no less plausible.

But yes, it is all ridiculous
- hugefemaledog77

Ask yourself, how often do "True #1 stud (d-man) get traded? If you can answer that question then you should be able to tell me who the last one who was dealt was b/c I sure as hell can't remember. When these guys get drafted, those teams don't let them go and if they do they trade them while they are still "potential" #1 D like Chara when he was dealt

Bolded statement is true but you aren't making a trade for today. Oilers are a long way from being a contender and Jones is a better long term option.
- Cooshie

To the Bruins fans out here....would you kindly visit the Oilers thread and collect your handicapped cousin...he's been drinking window cleaners again and he needs to go to bed.
- Jeropotato

miss that damn show
- Flyfreaky

Ask yourself, how often do "True #1 stud (d-man) get traded? If you can answer that question then you should be able to tell me who the last one who was dealt was b/c I sure as hell can't remember. When these guys get drafted, those teams don't let them go and if they do they trade them while they are still "potential" #1 D like Chara when he was dealt
- uf1910

Never....we know this and that is why we will slowly develop Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Schultz, Davidson, Musil and Gernat.

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You vastly overestimate what the oilers have up front.
we lose hall, our 1lw is Pouliot.

We also need possession driving forwards.

and again this comes back to what you're calling fact as jones true superstar. He's not. And he's certainly not worth Hall + to the oilers.

we have far more quality prospects on the backend then we do up front. We struggle to score already.
someone offering us oel or hedman etc for hall? Let's talk.
but until jones is that, or if he ever is, the oilers lose the trade badly.

So since we have some pieces hopefully in place, we wait on the others. Not gut one to hopefully fill another.
- hugefemaledog77

I just plain disagree. Hall is a winger and you don't build your offense around wingers (elite exceptions to the rule) - see Phil Kessel. Defense is where it starts - look at how Nashville reworked their team...all defense first.

By the way, I never said Hall+ That would be too much IMO.

nope....two of those 4 are top pair quality,whether you like them or not, unless you have extensive scouting reports on them. I suppose I could just ask you where those 4 project to impact at the NHL level?
- Jeropotato

We've got a star forward possession driver in hall.
We're hoping both klefbom and nurse become top pairing defenders.
And they certainly aren't just quantity over quality.

As I said; his premise had some validity, but I think it was based on too many maybes as well as a misunderstanding of the oilers.
No we're not some high offence that dominates. We've got some young building block forwards and a bunch of secondary talent behind them.

Pouliot would be our 1lw without hall. Beyond him? Matt fuking Fraser as our 2

I just plain disagree. Hall is a winger and you don't build your offense around wingers (elite exceptions to the rule) - see Phil Kessel. Defense is where it starts - look at how Nashville reworked their team...all defense first.

By the way, I never said Hall+ That would be too much IMO.
- Cooshie

We're not just building it around a winger, we're building it around nuge and hopefully nurse, eberle, draisatil and klefbom as well.

Robbing Peter to hopefully pay Paul isn't the answer.

Even if we get McEichel, I'll wager anytging we don't move hall.
It'll either be the pick or one of nuge/draisatil going for an established 1d

Thats where youre wrong. We have a lot of quality young defensive depth in the system...none as good as jones, but there is wealth there.....up front we can barely fill 2 lines from our entire system chart.

We understand what you are saying, but its clear your not all that familiar with the Oilers needs now or 3 years down the road. Sorry Bubba...you gotta do more research.
- Jeropotato

Again....i look at stud building blocks when building from scratch...not solid depth guys...but thats just me. For the leafs, only rielly would be near untouchable. Nylander next but if i got a top young centre id do it.

Nurse has the makings of a stud...but to me the rest of your D prospects, while good, dont substitute for a franchise player. Again maybe we differ on how to build a franchise and thats fine.

Im looking for #1 centre, #1 And #2 D. Then i go from there (goalie, #2 centre, 3-4 D...wingers are last on my list).

Again we are talking building from scrap

Thats where youre wrong. We have a lot of quality young defensive depth in the system...none as good as jones, but there is wealth there.....up front we can barely fill 2 lines from our entire system chart.

We understand what you are saying, but its clear your not all that familiar with the Oilers needs now or 3 years down the road. Sorry Bubba...you gotta do more research.
- Jeropotato

U tell them Poto.....

Again....i look at stud building blocks when building from scratch...not solid depth guys...but thats just me. For the leafs, only rielly would be near untouchable. Nylander next but if i got a top young centre id do it.

Nurse has the makings of a stud...but to me the rest of your D prospects, while good, dont substitute for a franchise player. Again maybe we differ on how to build a franchise and thats fine.

Im looking for #1 centre, #1 And #2 D. Then i go from there (goalie, #2 centre, 3-4 D...wingers are last on my list).

Again we are talking building from scrap
- clark_griswold

Keep looking and u shall find....

We're not just building it around a winger were building it around nuge and hopefully nurse, eberle, draisatil and klefbom as well.

Robbing Peter to hopefully pay Paul isn't the answer
- hugefemaledog77

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a bad analogy.

Building a team out from defense with a foundation of Nurse and Jones is exactly what you want to do - worry about offense later. Offense is easier to get than defense and there is no debating that.

Anyhow, conversation is a bit pointless as we know that Jones for Hall will never happen.

Has Nashville even once said that Jones was available - considering all this trade talk around him (oilers and Leafs)??

Keep looking and u shall find....
- Ur Not Me

Leafs might have this by 2025

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a bad analogy.

Building a team out from defense with a foundation of Nurse and Jones is exactly what you want to do - worry about offense later. Offense is easier to get than defense and there is no debating that.

Anyhow, conversation is a bit pointless as we know that Jones for Hall will never happen.

Has Nashville even once said that Jones was available - considering all this trade talk around him (oilers and Leafs)??
- Cooshie

Everything you write here is true....everything i tell you!

We've got a star forward possession driver in hall.
We're hoping both klefbom and nurse become top pairing defenders.
And they certainly aren't just quantity over quality.

As I said; his premise had some validity, but I think it was based on too many maybes as well as a misunderstanding of the oilers.
No we're not some high offence that dominates. We've got some young building block forwards and a bunch of secondary talent behind them.

Pouliot would be our 1lw without hall. Beyond him? Matt fuking Fraser as our 2
- hugefemaledog77

Yeah people seem to think with "all those firsts" we should be contenders tho.
1-22 yr old LW
1-21 yr old C
1-21 yr old D
1-20 yr old RW
1-19 yr old D
1-19 yr old C

How is this not a contender??????

Leafs might have this by 2025
- clark_griswold

for ur sake, hopefully sooner....

- Flyfreaky

Never....we know this and that is why we will slowly develop Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Schultz, Davidson, Musil and Gernat.

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- Jeropotato

Ok, then I have to ask b/c I have seen numerous Oil fans post that they want NHL players and not prospects. If you're plan is to be patient with your young D, then why would you not want prospects in a deal involving Ebs or potentially Hall? The way I see it, in your scenario you keep Hall/Ebs/Nuge for the next 4-5 years (while their contracts are manageable) but the D continues to suck and the team suffers as a result. Then as the young D matures the Hall/Ebs/Nuge players are due for new contracts with nice bumps in AAV. It doesn't make sense to me but maybe I'm missing what you guys are trying to accomplish b/c from what I see you want your glaring holes at C and G filled but won't trade anyone to fill them, yet all the while expecting different results on the ice.

Everything you write here is true....everything i tell you!
- clark_griswold

He is right....everyone knows the Blackhawks are great because they drafted Kane and Toews after developing Keith and Seabrooke.....too bad the Oilers didnt draft a stud pair sometime between 2007 and 2009,eh?

Now its too late and our new GM will have to make sure his since drafted d develop.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a bad analogy.

Building a team out from defense with a foundation of Nurse and Jones is exactly what you want to do - worry about offense later. Offense is easier to get than defense and there is no debating that.

Anyhow, conversation is a bit pointless as we know that Jones for Hall will never happen.

Has Nashville even once said that Jones was available - considering all this trade talk around him (oilers and Leafs)??
- Cooshie

Yes it is. Gutting one of our only strengths to hopefully fill another.

I didn't bring jones up. Love to have him, but not for hall

Yeah people seem to think with "all those firsts" we should be contenders tho.
1-22 yr old LW
1-21 yr old C
1-21 yr old D
1-20 yr old RW
1-19 yr old D
1-19 yr old C

How is this not a contender??????
- Jeropotato

Ive defended the oil by saying you have been bad in the wrong years...no stud available (sid, tavares). Jones is that stud. He already plays much older than his age...size...offense/defense...learning from weber. PK/PP...

But ya, hall creates offense....just like kessel

Ive defended the oil by saying you have been bad in the wrong years...no stud available (sid, tavares). Jones is that stud. He already plays much older than his age...size...offense/defense...learning from weber. PK/PP...

But ya, hall creates offense....just like kessel

- clark_griswold

steve simmons roundup

Untouchables: Morgan Rielly, James van Riemsdyk

For sale: Cody Franson, Mike Santorelli, Daniel Winnik, Joffrey Lupul, Tyler Bozak (the Blackhawks, Ducks, Jets, and maybe the Bruins and Canucks should be interested) and Roman Polak.

Leafs still believe in … sort of: Jonathan Bernier (the goalie market is soft, so a trade seems out of the question), Nazem Kadri and Jake Gardiner.

For sale – but likely in the offseason: Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf

‘The Luongo Problem’ – His contract sucks: David Clarkson, who also has a no-movement clause.

The rest who are likely to stay: Leo Komarov, Peter Holland, Richard Panik and Stephane Robidas.