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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Feb 9 @ 1:40 PM ET
How about Mark Stone, Matt Puempel and Ottawa's 2nd round pick in this year's draft.

Stone is a Winnipeg boy who looks really good this year in his rookie season. Puempel is a recent first round pick with upside. The second rounder wouldn't be that much out of the first round with Ottawa's record. (I don't see them trading the first rounder this year for that reason)

- maaddmike


Its a fair offer. I think WPG pushes for the first rd pick. They hold all the power here and will have teams competing for his services.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 9 @ 1:41 PM ET
How about Mark Stone, Matt Puempel and Ottawa's 2nd round pick in this year's draft.

Stone is a Winnipeg boy who looks really good this year in his rookie season. Puempel is a recent first round pick with upside. The second rounder wouldn't be that much out of the first round with Ottawa's record. (I don't see them trading the first rounder this year for that reason)

- maaddmike


The other issue is, Ottawa can't keep trading their top prospects, they did for Ryan last year and then this, that would set them back another couple years. (in my opinion)
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 9 @ 1:41 PM ET
Maybe if Stewart to Boston happens we should ask for Gregory Campbell as part of the return and sign him long term.
maaddmike
Joined: 08.08.2006

Feb 9 @ 1:42 PM ET
This is not enough, especially the 2nd. They want a 1st, thinking top 20 or so.
- Lilroot9


I can't see Ottawa moving a potential top 5 lottery pick. Maybe Stone, Peumpel and two 2nd round picks - their own and the Dallas' pick from the Spezza deal?
maaddmike
Joined: 08.08.2006

Feb 9 @ 1:44 PM ET
The other issue is, Ottawa can't keep trading their top prospects, they did for Ryan last year and then this, that would set them back another couple years. (in my opinion)
- Lilroot9


Ottawa has a pretty good group of young forwards - Stone, Hoffman, Lazar and Pageau all rookies in the NHL, and Peumpel, Prince in the AHL along with Nick Paul from the Spezza trade who is still in junior. There won't be enough room on the roster for all of these younger guys. So they could afford to move a couple of them for a higher end guy that is hitting his prime.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 9 @ 1:45 PM ET
Maybe if Stewart to Boston happens we should ask for Gregory Campbell as part of the return and sign him long term.
- adambuffalo

why?
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 9 @ 1:51 PM ET
why?
- homiedclown



Just a play on all the favoritism it seemed the Bruins got by having him. I really don't think he would add anything to what we already have.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Feb 9 @ 1:52 PM ET
Maybe if Stewart to Boston happens we should ask for Gregory Campbell as part of the return and sign him long term.
- adambuffalo

Agreed. Then start slew footing, elbowing everyone with no repercussions
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 9 @ 1:54 PM ET
I can't see Ottawa moving a potential top 5 lottery pick. Maybe Stone, Peumpel and two 2nd round picks - their own and the Dallas' pick from the Spezza deal?
- maaddmike


I see what you are saying, I just think they want a top talent back and (2) 2nds is not that great. They need more (I wish they did not, but I think that is the case) of top talent and less bottom 6 as well as sooner than later players (the two you named seemed ok, although I am unfamiliar with them).
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 9 @ 1:56 PM ET
We're in a position where the cap hit isn't too big an issue. And like i said i would buy low on him. If the price for him and kane are the same i'd rather kane. In fact i'd rather just add an extra asset and go after someone even better but i'll stick with these two for now. He's proven he can score at this level and a pretty good skater. If the price is right it could pay off big time.
- Sabresfan-365



I think there will be a lot of teams in cap trouble forcing them to trade good players (like how the Isles got their guys for next to nothing) and we could look there instead of going after someone like Skinner. Canes and Skinner are similar to the Sabres and Myers. They don't have to trade him, have plenty of cap space and there is potential for each to become stars.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 9 @ 1:59 PM ET
Here's an honest question. Who would you rather trade for and which would take more to get? Kane or RoR?
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 9 @ 2:01 PM ET
My guess is Winnipeg and Vancouver are dancing around an offer that includes Horvat, Kassian and a #1 for Kane. They may not be exactly at that point, but they are close. I still believe ( hope) Ottawa will be in the mix with an offer that could include Lazar, Lehner and a #2 pick.

Winnipeg has no interest in Dmen. They have probably the best young D in the league after Nashville. I think Buffalo has the pieces to get a deal done. But it will cost a lot more than most of the proposals being formulated on this thread.

- spatso



you're crazy as (frank) if you move him ... CRAZY AS (frank)
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 9 @ 2:03 PM ET
I know he's having a down year and injury troubles but I would buy low on Skinner if he becomes available in the off season.

Edit: If the price for Kane is too high that is. I would try for Kane 1st though.

- Sabresfan-365



why would you want skinner ? we have ennis
maaddmike
Joined: 08.08.2006

Feb 9 @ 2:03 PM ET
you're crazy as (frank) if you move him ... CRAZY AS (frank)
- gerbe75pts


I certainly wouldn't include Lazar in a deal. He is the ultimate character player. It would be too ironic to deal him for Evander Kane.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 9 @ 2:06 PM ET
Maybe if Stewart to Boston happens we should ask for Gregory Campbell as part of the return and sign him long term.
- adambuffalo



we have to many 3rd ,4th line players i would pass
Beezer33
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WNY, NY
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 9 @ 2:08 PM ET
How do we feel about Armia? I can see him being the prospect WPG wants more than a Grigorenko and Larsson etc...

He is 3 years younger than Kane but Kane is a proven scorer. Armia is not in the NHL level yet. Armia could be a perfect match to bring up with Grigs but also Kane would jump our rebuild quicker.

Ennis needs to stay as he is only Sabre who can produce at all. Stewart's value is low.

If I were the GM I would be trying to peddle Myers to Anaheim for Vatanen, Richie and a 1st

then E. Kane for Stafford, Armia and a 1st

then Stewart to Boston for Ryan Spooner and a pick

Neuvirth to anyone so we can bring up Hackett
Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Feb 9 @ 2:08 PM ET
Here's an honest question. Who would you rather trade for and which would take more to get? Kane or RoR?
- adambuffalo

Aside from the whole UFA thing I'd take ROR. That said, it will take more to get Kane.

IMO
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Feb 9 @ 2:11 PM ET
why would you want skinner ? we have ennis
- gerbe75pts


Can we not have both?
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 9 @ 2:12 PM ET
How do we feel about Armia? I can see him being the prospect WPG wants more than a Grigorenko and Larsson etc...

He is 3 years younger than Kane but Kane is a proven scorer. Armia is not in the NHL level yet. Armia could be a perfect match to bring up with Grigs but also Kane would jump our rebuild quicker.

Ennis needs to stay as he is only Sabre who can produce at all. Stewart's value is low.

If I were the GM I would be trying to peddle Myers to Anaheim for Vatanen, Richie and a 1st

then E. Kane for Stafford, Armia and a 1st

then Stewart to Boston for Ryan Spooner and a pick

Neuvirth to anyone so we can bring up Hackett

- Beezer33


I would do all of those deals (which means to me the other team won't, haha).

This is the addition the Sabres need to be good sooner than later.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Feb 9 @ 2:12 PM ET
How do we feel about Armia? I can see him being the prospect WPG wants more than a Grigorenko and Larsson etc...

He is 3 years younger than Kane but Kane is a proven scorer. Armia is not in the NHL level yet. Armia could be a perfect match to bring up with Grigs but also Kane would jump our rebuild quicker.

Ennis needs to stay as he is only Sabre who can produce at all. Stewart's value is low.

If I were the GM I would be trying to peddle Myers to Anaheim for Vatanen, Richie and a 1st

then E. Kane for Stafford, Armia and a 1st

then Stewart to Boston for Ryan Spooner and a pick

Neuvirth to anyone so we can bring up Hackett

- Beezer33


Nope. Neuvirth to IR so we can keep him next year.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Feb 9 @ 2:14 PM ET
How do we feel about Armia? I can see him being the prospect WPG wants more than a Grigorenko and Larsson etc...

He is 3 years younger than Kane but Kane is a proven scorer. Armia is not in the NHL level yet. Armia could be a perfect match to bring up with Grigs but also Kane would jump our rebuild quicker.

Ennis needs to stay as he is only Sabre who can produce at all. Stewart's value is low.

If I were the GM I would be trying to peddle Myers to Anaheim for Vatanen, Richie and a 1st

then E. Kane for Stafford, Armia and a 1st

then Stewart to Boston for Ryan Spooner and a pick

Neuvirth to anyone so we can bring up Hackett

- Beezer33


As a matter of fact, i don't like any of these except "keep Ennis"
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Feb 9 @ 2:14 PM ET
Nope. Neuvirth to IR so we can keep him next year.
- Der Kaiser



He's just as expendable as enroth at this point.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 9 @ 2:15 PM ET
Nope. Neuvirth to IR so we can keep him next year.
- Der Kaiser


Where's Hackett and his free agency status?
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Feb 9 @ 2:16 PM ET
why would you want skinner ? we have ennis
- gerbe75pts



Does anyone bother reading past the 1st few words anymore? If you can buy low on a former 2 time 30 goal scorer who is still 22 years old (something ennis has yet to do by the way) then personally i would go for it.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 9 @ 2:18 PM ET
Does anyone bother reading past the 1st few words anymore? If you can buy low on a former 2 time 30 goal scorer who is still 22 years old (something ennis has yet to do by the way) then personally i would go for it.
- Sabresfan-365


Why would Carolina "sell low" on him though?
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