Well, he wasn't making that much last year as a Penguin.

And I'm pretty sure they only signed him so their team bus wouldn't tip over in a stiff wind. That's a team of midgets.
- hardnosed

I still stubbornly believe that when the contract sheet was thought for him, it was supposed to be 3 years for 2.91 mil total and then someone in the front office of Calgary messed up and did it as per year.

Times Penguins have been shut out:

2011-12 season: 2
2012-13 season: 0 (48 games)
2013-14 season: 6
2014-15 season: 6 (through 53 games)

Times Penguins have been shut out:

2011-12 season: 2
2012-13 season: 0 (48 games)
2013-14 season: 6
2014-15 season: 6 (through 53 games)
- znagle

New coach, system, and large scale personnel changes. I thought we didn't care about the regular season. Only the process of becoming a better team for the playoffs, that's the goal.

Times Penguins have been shut out:

2011-12 season: 2
2012-13 season: 0 (48 games)
2013-14 season: 6
2014-15 season: 6 (through 53 games)
- znagle

Large amount of injuries and lots of line experimenting... Not a full excuse, but makes that a bit easier to swallow. Can also add we have broken out shut out record for the franchise with over a third of the season left as well.

The loss was disappointing but hardly unexpected in my eyes -- back to back games in Western Canada...I thought getting a point would be a bonus. The game was actually somewhat competitive until that 3rd goal.

Greiss was obviously not on top of his game...and neither was anybody else really.

Say what you will about 3rd and 4th line guys needing to step up..show me all the possession numbers you want to try and back it up...but when you lose 5-0 and your $20M worth of STUD centers musters all of TWO SHOTS....COMBINED...I say WTF?

And even going back to the two wins they had before this loss...

Edm
Crosby 2 shots
Malkin 2 shots

Cgy
Crosby 3 shots
Malkin 1 shot

Three games and a combined 10 shots total. For two STUD centers.

Hornqvist had 9 by himself in that 3 game span.

I agree with both the above posts. Just something I saw on twitter and thought was interesting

Im so tired of seeing Sutter being a scapegoat for most of the Pens problems. He's not a scorer, wasn't brought here to be. He is a defensive player here for PK. And if any of you who feel the need to keep blaming him had a clue, PK has been top 5 last 2 seasons. BB hasn't shown anything, even with playing with Crosby AND Malkin. Bennett is here to produce as a Top 6 F, and i still haven't seen it in the last 2 years.

As for DP, he is going to be a good player over time, but he is still shaky. Seems to panic a lot with the puck. I know he's is going to get better with more ice time but isn't there yet.

Biggest problem I'm noticing with this team is ALOT of little things. No look passes to other team, looking for the big plays instead of the easy ones. And on the PP, (same as before) no one shooting anymore. Its pass, pass, pass, pass, cleared. Trying to pass through 5 pairs of skates through the slot will work 1 out of 50 times. Yet they are determined all game to make that pass. And i think any coach of this team will be to afraid to say anything to these big star players about their play. So these guys are going to continue to play "their" way until someone gets in their face about it.

But I also notice every time the Pens lose a game, the world is coming to an end, and all the bloggers come out saying, "the season is over", "why the pens won't win the cup", "no depth scoring".. Its one game and they are still 1 point from 1st in the division DESPITE going through all the injuries. Id say the depth of this team is pretty good if they were able to maintain 1st and 2nd through all of that.

Last note.. Go back and look at the '09 Cup roster of the pens. You wanna say that team had depth?? No way, this team is built much much better than the '09 team. All around. Heres the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...als#Pittsburgh_Penguins_2

I agree with both the above posts. Just something I saw on twitter and thought was interesting
- znagle

The loss was disappointing but hardly unexpected in my eyes -- back to back games in Western Canada...I thought getting a point would be a bonus. The game was actually somewhat competitive until that 3rd goal.

Greiss was obviously not on top of his game...and neither was anybody else really.

Say what you will about 3rd and 4th line guys needing to step up..show me all the possession numbers you want to try and back it up...but when you lose 5-0 and your $20M worth of STUD centers musters all of TWO SHOTS....COMBINED...I say WTF?

And even going back to the two wins they had before this loss...

Edm
Crosby 2 shots
Malkin 2 shots

Cgy
Crosby 3 shots
Malkin 1 shot

Three games and a combined 10 shots total. For two STUD centers.

Hornqvist had 9 by himself in that 3 game span.
- icedog97

But they're playmakers!!!

They need to start shooting more. Back at the start of the season we possessed, and shot the puck every opportunity. You can't score if you don't shoot. Pretty or ugly, we need the goals any way we can get them.

The loss was disappointing but hardly unexpected in my eyes -- back to back games in Western Canada...I thought getting a point would be a bonus. The game was actually somewhat competitive until that 3rd goal.

Greiss was obviously not on top of his game...and neither was anybody else really.
Maybe just 3, but yes the two guys who produced half the offense are to blame. Actually, they had their hand in every goal but one.

Say what you will about 3rd and 4th line guys needing to step up..show me all the possession numbers you want to try and back it up...but when you lose 5-0 and your $20M worth of STUD centers musters all of TWO SHOTS....COMBINED...I say WTF?

And even going back to the two wins they had before this loss...

Edm
Crosby 2 shots
Malkin 2 shots

Cgy
Crosby 3 shots
Malkin 1 shot

Three games and a combined 10 shots total. For two STUD centers.

Hornqvist had 9 by himself in that 3 game span.
- icedog97

Um, didn't they combine for 4 of the 6 goals scored on the trip? Actually they had their hand in every goal but one. But yes, their fault.

Im so tired of seeing Sutter being a scapegoat for most of the Pens problems. He's not a scorer, wasn't brought here to be. He is a defensive player here for PK. And if any of you who feel the need to keep blaming him had a clue, PK has been top 5 last 2 seasons. BB hasn't shown anything, even with playing with Crosby AND Malkin. Bennett is here to produce as a Top 6 F, and i still haven't seen it in the last 2 years.

As for DP, he is going to be a good player over time, but he is still shaky. Seems to panic a lot with the puck. I know he's is going to get better with more ice time but isn't there yet.

Biggest problem I'm noticing with this team is ALOT of little things. No look passes to other team, looking for the big plays instead of the easy ones. And on the PP, (same as before) no one shooting anymore. Its pass, pass, pass, pass, cleared. Trying to pass through 5 pairs of skates through the slot will work 1 out of 50 times. Yet they are determined all game to make that pass. And i think any coach of this team will be to afraid to say anything to these big star players about their play. So these guys are going to continue to play "their" way until someone gets in their face about it.

But I also notice every time the Pens lose a game, the world is coming to an end, and all the bloggers come out saying, "the season is over", "why the pens won't win the cup", "no depth scoring".. Its one game and they are still 1 point from 1st in the division DESPITE going through all the injuries. Id say the depth of this team is pretty good if they were able to maintain 1st and 2nd through all of that.

Last note.. Go back and look at the '09 Cup roster of the pens. You wanna say that team had depth?? No way, this team is built much much better than the '09 team. All around. Heres the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...als#Pittsburgh_Penguins_2
- 87Pens87

Agree completely, I hate to be that annoying drunk guy attending his first hockey game, but shoot the (frank)ing puck!

Um, didn't they combine for 4 of the 6 goals scored on the trip?
- usethe1-2-2

Don't use logic

The loss was disappointing but hardly unexpected in my eyes -- back to back games in Western Canada...I thought getting a point would be a bonus. The game was actually somewhat competitive until that 3rd goal.

Greiss was obviously not on top of his game...and neither was anybody else really.

Say what you will about 3rd and 4th line guys needing to step up..show me all the possession numbers you want to try and back it up...but when you lose 5-0 and your $20M worth of STUD centers musters all of TWO SHOTS....COMBINED...I say WTF?

And even going back to the two wins they had before this loss...

Edm
Crosby 2 shots
Malkin 2 shots

Cgy
Crosby 3 shots
Malkin 1 shot

Three games and a combined 10 shots total. For two STUD centers.

Hornqvist had 9 by himself in that 3 game span.
- icedog97

Crosby is on an 82 point pace for the year, and Malkin is on an 80 point pace. That's not okay in the grand scheme of things, expectations are rightfully higher for both of them.

Malkin hasn't scored a power play goal since December 6th, a stretch of 22 games.

Um, didn't they combine for 4 of the 6 goals scored on the trip? Actually they had their hand in every goal but one. But yes, their fault.
- usethe1-2-2

Your logic is all wrong.

Ryan blamed it on depth.

Is depth why they had 2 shots total last night?

I'm saying those two guys need to shoot more period.

They are the two best players on the team...with the ability to score more goals than other players on the team...and they both need to channel a little bit of Ovechkin into their games.

Lose 5-0 and Crosby and Malkin have 8 shots...then at least I can tell you THEY were trying to score.

Crosby is on an 82 point pace for the year, and Malkin is on an 80 point pace. That's not okay in the grand scheme of things, expectations are rightfully higher for both of them.

Malkin hasn't scored a power play goal since December 6th, a stretch of 22 games.
- hardnosed

No problem with looking at that... Crosby was on pace for over 100, Malkin is capable of 100 as well, but him around 80 I am good with IF Crosby breaches 100.

I am starting to think HCMJ might starting to be getting a bit gunshy in his role as coach with the organization here. It has looked just off the last couple weeks with some of his decisions and no one here really has a good read. Horny being pushed to the 2nd line is the most questionable thing. Hes just not obtained any real synergy with Malkin yet. Kunitz and Horny with Crosby has been near a wash point wise, which is fair to both. But that "should" mean Kunitz goes with Malkin for better production for the 2nd line, with Horny on the 1st for better overall production team wise. Hopefully this will just go back to normal once Comeau is back. The bottom 6 is near a cluster(frank), and none of these injuries have helped their cause.

Your logic is all wrong.

Ryan blamed it on depth.

Is depth why they had 2 shots total last night?

I'm saying those two guys need to shoot more period.

They are the two best players on the team...with the ability to score more goals than other players on the team...and they both need to channel a little bit of Ovechkin into their games.

Lose 5-0 and Crosby and Malkin have 8 shots...then at least I can tell you THEY were trying to score.
- icedog97

Only one goal on the road trip wasnot contributed by Sid or Geno. You are damn right I'm gonna blame the depth.

Only one goal on the road trip wasn't contributes by Sid or Geno. You are damn right I'm gonna blame the depth.
- usethe1-2-2

Because the depth didn't score?

Sill and Sutter each had 3 shots last night. Neither scored of course.

Sure, we could use more scoring from the 3rd and 4th liners...but we could also use more shots from those two guys on a nightly basis. I know their linemates reap the benefits from their skating and passing (look at Perron, Kunitz and Hornqvist's shot totals) but I guess what i am saying here is neither of these two guys drive the shot taking enough. They defer too often.

Both guys are averaging about 3 shots a game.

I expect 4 from them while having the other guys stay where they are in terms of shots per game.

I think the opportunities are there...but the mindset is not.

Only one goal on the road trip wasnot contributed by Sid or Geno. You are damn right I'm gonna blame the depth.
- usethe1-2-2

Geno's goal against Edmonton was his only goal in his last seven games, and Crosby's two goals against Calgary are his only goals in his last eight games.

Three goals total from guys who have averaged just short of a half goal a game throughout their careers.

And it's not like these are their only slumps this season.

I'd be far more worried about fixing those problems than the 4th line if I was the coach.

I am starting to think HCMJ might starting to be getting a bit gunshy in his role as coach with the organization here.
- Guile

I honestly would have preferred a dumber coach with a little more sack and lot more emotion. Sometimes it appears that Johnston is afraid to fail.

There should not be this many guys ahead of Sid and Geno in terms of shots taken, should there?

Player team games shots
 Alex Ovechkin WAS 54 260
 Tyler Seguin DAL 53 222
 Max Pacioretty MON 52 194
 Rick Nash NYR 51 193
 Erik Karlsson OTT 51 192
 Vladimir Tarasenko STL 53 187
 Claude Giroux PHI 52 187
 Oliver Ekman-Larsson ARI 53 180
 Phil Kessel TOR 54 180
 Steven Stamkos TAM 55 176
 Joe Pavelski SAN 54 174
 James van Riemsdyk TOR 54 172
 John Tavares NYI 53 168
 Nathan MacKinnon COL 54 167
 Dustin Byfuglien WPG 55 166
 Logan Couture SAN 54 165
 Alexander Steen STL 51 163
 Blake Wheeler WPG 55 163
 Zach Parise MIN 44 163
 Jason Pominville MIN 51 163
 Patrick Marleau SAN 54 162
 Filip Forsberg NAS 53 162
 Radim Vrbata VAN 48 161
 Craig Smith NAS 53 160
 Patrick Kane CHI 53 160
 Keith Yandle ARI 53 159
 Henrik Zetterberg DET 52 158
 Marian Hossa CHI 53 155
 Jamie Benn DAL 53 154
 Andrew Ladd WPG 55 154
 Kyle Okposo NYI 46 154
 Ryan Kesler ANA 54 153
 Tomas Plekanec MON 52 153
 James Neal NAS 47 153
 Patrick Sharp CHI 39 153

and none of the other Penguin forwards are above them...Hornqvist probably would be if he hadn't been hurt...

I honestly would have preferred a dumber coach with a little more sack and lot more emotion. Sometimes it appears that Johnston is afraid to fail.
- hardnosed

Well, a number of Pens players have expressed their respect for him and even defended his rarely getting loud saying he doesn't need to... but that was 2-3 months ago.