God... I am agreeing with you again. I really better be careful
I was hoping for more from Couturier. He has been very " streaky" for lack of better term. If he was a key piece wanted in a package for a top Dman, I wouldn't hesitate to make a deal. Isn't B Schenn supposed to be a Centre? He could fill a roll of a 2nd Centre. I would only move 14 if it was for quality D help
- 3flyerkids

There aren't many untouchables for me if its for a stud too pairing defensman.

To be fair, Laughton may have taken on more by now if he hadn't been injured. Let's see how it plays out down the stretch because i was hoping to see the same.
- funmaster18

The problem with Laughton right now is that his game away from the puck in NHL caliber, but he is really not ready with the puck yet.

Do you believe they could get 2 first round picks from top teams for Coburn and Streit,and maybe a 3rd or 2 nd for Grossman? Hey I really like Streit but he is older and if those 3 were traded that would free up 13M or so. I think they could either trade or sign a couple solid guys with that money
- 3flyerkids

I think they could possibly get a late 1st for Streit and or Coburn, but that'd be if they get a team that really, really wanted those specific guys.

I have no idea on Grossmann's value. He's got his good and bad points, but there's likely to be several guys available who can play a similar role, who are not burdened with an extra year on their contracts. It's the same thing that might limit Streit & Coburn's value. The cap might only rise $2mm for next season. If you have a team with a couple of solid RFAs to re-sign and limited cap room, can you really take on a guy like Grossmann at $3.5mm?

There will be some teams that might be interested, but I think it's more likely to be a summertime deal.

Guys like Schultz, who have no contract next year, are going to be easier to deal and get value for, IMO.

I think they could possibly get a late 1st for Streit and or Coburn, but that'd be if they get a team that really, really wanted those specific guys.

I have no idea on Grossmann's value. He's got his good and bad points, but there's likely to be several guys available who can play a similar role, who are not burdened with an extra year on their contracts. It's the same thing that might limit Streit & Coburn's value. The cap might only rise $2mm for next season. If you have a team with a couple of solid RFAs to re-sign and limited cap room, can you really take on a guy like Grossmann at $3.5mm?

There will be some teams that might be interested, but I think it's more likely to be a summertime deal.

Guys like Schultz, who have no contract next year, are going to be easier to deal and get value for, IMO.
- Jsaquella

I'd be surprised if the Flyers could get anything more then a 3rd round pick for Schultz.

To be fair, Laughton may have taken on more by now if he hadn't been injured. Let's see how it plays out down the stretch because i was hoping to see the same.
- funmaster18

I'm looking at his overall usage. He's starting in the OZ 50% of the time. Couturier is at 35%. Laughton's line is also not seeing the hardest competition, which is still being handled the majority of the time by Couturier's line.

It's hard to tell if he will blossom offensively, because of how he is used.

Do you believe they could get 2 first round picks from top teams for Coburn and Streit,and maybe a 3rd or 2 nd for Grossman? Hey I really like Streit but he is older and if those 3 were traded that would free up 13M or so. I think they could either trade or sign a couple solid guys with that money
- 3flyerkids

No. None of those players will get that much. Teams watch the same games we do.

No. None of those players will get that much. Teams watch the same games we do.
- PhillySportsGuy

Never say never...Ryane Clowe and his zero goals got a 2nd & 3rd from the Rangers...but I agree, it'd have to be from a team that really wanted one of those guts specifically.

Yeah, 2 games with one assist is certainly enough evidence to come to that conclusion.
- MBFlyerfan

It's called watching the games and seeing what he was able to do smart guy. There was also a time when Voracek was playing behind Jagr and Voracek looked average for a guy with his skill set. His break out season is only happening now with the help of Giroux.

It's called watching the game and seeing what he was able to do smart guy. There was also a time when Voracek was playing behind Jagr and Voracek looked average for a guy with his skill set. His break out season is only happening now with the help of Giroux.
- SuperSchennBros

It's been a couple years since Jagr has been on the team and Voracek is still a young player. I think part of it is playing with g and the other part is just his natural development as a player.

I honestly believe that Couturier can be that center. I think they absolutely need to add a catalyst for the 2nd line to play with Simmonds. A good puck carrying, playmaking LW, along with Couturier and Simmonds, could form that 2nd option for them. Getting a bona fide top pairing defenseman is the biggest challenge that faces this team. The cap issues can be dealt with.
- MJL

I honestly believe Sean Couturier is a better playmaker center then he's given credit for.

No. None of those players will get that much. Teams watch the same games we do.
- PhillySportsGuy

Streit would look pretty good on Detroit or Anaheim
Coburn would be a good 2 nd pair guy on any team

Never say never...Ryane Clowe and his zero goals got a 2nd & 3rd from the Rangers...but I agree, it'd have to be from a team that really wanted one of those guts specifically.
- Jsaquella

I think the turn around would go faster if the Flyers made wholesale changes which would include the possibility of trading good players. THe idea that our young defenseman will come in and fix the problems within a few years is just wishful. The team lacks depth at every position and has a limited number of decent prospects at forward and goalie. Also no cap space for a while unless the CAD miraculously recovers.

The problem with Laughton right now is that his game away from the puck in NHL caliber, but he is really not ready with the puck yet.
- MJL

I'm pleasantly surprised with Laughton. I think for a guy who has just cracked the lineup this season, he's doing very well. I'm excited for him over the next couple of seasons.

It's been a couple years since Jagr has been on the team and Voracek is still a young player. I think part of it is playing with g and the other part is just his natural development as a player.
- funmaster18

Streit would look pretty good on Detroit or Anaheim
Coburn would be a good 2 nd pair guy on any team
- 3flyerkids

Detroit doesn't want to commit that money to Streit. Not sure they'd even take Streit for free with his cap hit

I think the turn around would go faster if the Flyers made wholesale changes which would include the possibility of trading good players. THe idea that our young defenseman will come in and fix the problems within a few years is just wishful. The team lacks depth at every position and has a limited number of decent prospects at forward and goalie. Also no cap space for a while unless the CAD miraculously recovers.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree to an extent. It's not going to work just shuffling out the limited guys. The key thing is, if they deal a good player, they absolutely need value. They can't repeat JvR for Luke Schenn, or dumping guys like Pat Maroon for nothing.

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- MBFlyerfan

Unpossible!

Streit would look pretty good on Detroit or Anaheim
Coburn would be a good 2 nd pair guy on any team
- 3flyerkids

I think teams would line up for either. Streit is what, top 5 in points among D men? For a team knocking on the door they'll sooner give up a 1st for him than a big package for Yandle.

I think the turn around would go faster if the Flyers made wholesale changes which would include the possibility of trading good players. THe idea that our young defenseman will come in and fix the problems within a few years is just wishful. The team lacks depth at every position and has a limited number of decent prospects at forward and goalie. Also no cap space for a while unless the CAD miraculously recovers.
- PhillySportsGuy

They are in a holding pattern. Their fate rests on the group of d prospects. It will be 4 year at a minimum before they could be considered a contender

Cross your fingers on these dmen in the system. Pretty much all we can do

There wasn't a point in his entire post that suggested that Voracek should be traded or isn't a good player, if he was separated from Giroux. What he is basically saying is that he think's Voracek would be less effective away from Giroux, and I agree with him.
- MJL

Don't quote me on this, but I heard the sun is hot. In other words, how is being less effective playing away from one of best players in the NHL the last several seasons anything but stating the obvious?

They are in a holding pattern. Their fate rests on the group of d prospects. It will be 4 year at a minimum before they could be considered a contender

Cross your fingers on these dmen in the system. Pretty much all we can do
- Just5

It doesn't have to be that way. They can make deals for younger players already in the NHL if they're willing to be creative and sacrifice a season or two to do so

I think teams would line up for either. Streit is what, top 5 in points among D men? For a team knocking on the door they'll sooner give up a 1st for him than a big package for Yandle.
- hereticpride

Yandle is younger, and has more points. In fact, since the lockout, Yandle is 3rd in the NHL among defensemen in points

It's been a couple years since Jagr has been on the team and Voracek is still a young player. I think part of it is playing with g and the other part is just his natural development as a player.
- funmaster18

This season and the half season are the only two seasons I've noticed Voracek's willingness to go to the dirty areas in the corners and use his big frame to shield players from the puck. When doing so, he's an effective player.

Now it's not like I don't like Voracek, I like him very much but it's not like he plays this way every year. If bad eating habits or even work habits are an issue, well that brings his value down and keeps him taking that next step. He's on a role right now, doing all the right things, so just like that he's able to reach his potential.

This story reminds me a lot like Hartnell's workouts prior to his 37 goal season. It's just a matter of keeping this play up. Whether or not Voracek can do it without Giroux is yet to be seen.

It doesn't have to be that way. They can make deals for younger players already in the NHL if they're willing to be creative and sacrifice a season or two to do so
- PhillySportsGuy

What deal can they make for a young top pairing dman that isn't going leave crater sized holes elsewhere in the roster that at this time sure won't be filled by any prospects in our system

Maybe he's part of the reason they have been so ineffective?
- Dkos

Couts certainly doesn't appear to be much of a play-making center. And he hasn't been much on finishing lately either...