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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM ET
I keep reading that teams would have interest, and I just can't wrap my mind around it -- I think he is a very, very good goal-scorer. I wouldn't necessarily argue if somebody wanted to say he is an elite goal-scorer

But $8 million for one dimension, even as much as I appreciate the ability to score...yikes

- AllInForFlyers

Maybe Buffalo would take him if they land one of the two big centers in the draft.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM ET

- Winning

Well I just went from six to midnight.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM ET


Id trade for him in a heartbeat
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM ET
Lupul at 5.2 mill is funny
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM ET


Id trade for him in a heartbeat

- Winning

Does that trade involve Toronto taking all of our cap trash?
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM ET
Does that trade involve Toronto taking all of our cap trash?
- hereticpride

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM ET
I keep reading that teams would have interest, and I just can't wrap my mind around it -- I think he is a very, very good goal-scorer. I wouldn't necessarily argue if somebody wanted to say he is an elite goal-scorer

But $8 million for one dimension, even as much as I appreciate the ability to score...yikes

- AllInForFlyers

This might be a bad example but I feel Phil Kessel being traded to a bubble team would be like when the Sharks traded for Joe Thornton. I'll agree with anyone who says Kessel is nowhere near the player Thornton ever was but my point is Joe Thornton is a game changing playmaker, while could be a game changing scorer if he actually played with talent. I also understand Thornton never got the Sharks to a Stanley Cup Final but at least the Sharks were a threat for along time against the Wings, Hawks and Kings.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM ET
Zepp got hurt in the Phantoms game.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:36 PM ET
flyers first line needs kessel
- Winning


Yes
In a year & a half our top line would be:

Giroux $8.275 mill
Kessel $8 mill
Voracek $8 mill



SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 7 @ 9:42 PM ET
Zepp got hurt in the Phantoms game.
- Jsaquella

I love when you give bad news. The aviator always breaks it to me generally.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM ET
Who is going to take him for that money though?
- hereticpride

preds?
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
preds?
- Giroux_Is_God

Preds probably should take an interest.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 7 @ 9:56 PM ET
Yes
In a year & a half our top line would be:

Giroux $8.275 mill
Kessel $8 mill
Voracek $8 mill

- puckhead17

What sucks is I do not believe Voracek to be an 8 million dollar player. It took this season for me to admit he was an elite winger in this league but if he was really legit, the scoring title wouldn't current ly be in doubt. If Giroux was ever up there, I think it would be less likely Giroux would tail offbbecause he's in the running each year.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 7 @ 9:57 PM ET
I don't think our front office would be. JVR took some needless shots at the organization in the past year. Sounded mostly like excuses to be honest.

I personally don't care for the kid.

- hereticpride


oh? do tell. i haven't read/heard those. if that's true, then (frank) him. go be a ranger. that's your real team anyway.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 7 @ 10:03 PM ET
Well I just went from six to midnight.
- hereticpride


jesus (frank)ing christ i hate that (frank)ing guys face, especially his jaw and lower lip area.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 7 @ 10:05 PM ET
What sucks is I do not believe Voracek to be an 8 million dollar player. It took this season for me to admit he was an elite winger in this league but if he was really legit, the scoring title wouldn't current ly be in doubt. If Giroux was ever up there, I think it would be less likely Giroux would tail offbbecause he's in the running each year.
- SuperSchennBros


If he were to run away with the scoring lead, he may get more.
Even if Voracek maintains a PPG pace the rest of this season, and next year, he will get paid as much.
Look at some of the salaries around the league, (after the last lockout).
He'll get at least what Kejci got.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 7 @ 10:05 PM ET
jesus (frank)ing christ i hate that (frank)ing guys face, especially his jaw and lower lip area.
- hammarby31

He's so...round

Everything about his face is round
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 7 @ 10:07 PM ET
Even if Voracek maintains a PPG pace the rest of this season, and next year, he will get paid as much.
Look at some of the salaries around the league, (after the last lockout).
He'll get at least what Kejci got.

- puckhead17

No question that he's a nice player to have but I look at what he's done prior to this season, his current slump and how he looked for the two games Giroux was out and his play was underwhelming. At least Giroux and Kessel can play alone. The best normally can.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 7 @ 10:09 PM ET
He's so...round

Everything about his face is round

- Giroux_Is_God


the roundness, the fatness, the protruding jaw, the expression, the skin tone...all of it. i hate it so much i feel the same way mrs. white felt about yvette.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 7 @ 10:28 PM ET
No question that he's a nice player to have but I look at what he's done prior to this season, his current slump and how he looked for the two games Giroux was out and his play was underwhelming. At least Giroux and Kessel can play alone. The best normally can.
- SuperSchennBros


I know, I do see your point.
You wouldn't expect a top paid player to disappear for short stretches, or not produce.
Kessel has had 2, & 1/2 PPG seasons, (the 1/2 being the lockout).
It's all about the market, and how many other players are there with his skill level?

Example
Kane & Toews getting $10.5 mill each?
Are they that much better than Getzlaf, & Perry?
ThirdEye
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ardmore, PA
Joined: 01.04.2013

Feb 7 @ 10:53 PM ET
What sucks is I do not believe Voracek to be an 8 million dollar player. It took this season for me to admit he was an elite winger in this league but if he was really legit, the scoring title wouldn't current ly be in doubt. If Giroux was ever up there, I think it would be less likely Giroux would tail offbbecause he's in the running each year.
- SuperSchennBros


He's not legit because he has competition? If Voracek keeps doing what he's doing, I absolutely think he's worth 8 mil.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 7 @ 11:52 PM ET
So, Phil Kessel is great and worth $8mm per year, despite having just 3 goals and 6 points over his last 16 games, and Voracek isn't worth it, because he hasn't scored in a couple games.

Got it.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Feb 8 @ 12:18 AM ET
Well I just went from six to midnight.
- hereticpride



2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:02 AM ET
So, Phil Kessel is great and worth $8mm per year, despite having just 3 goals and 6 points over his last 16 games, and Voracek isn't worth it, because he hasn't scored in a couple games.

Got it.

- Jsaquella

voracek hasn't done it year after year
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Feb 8 @ 1:05 AM ET
voracek hasn't done it year after year
- 2Real




midnight midnight to six yeah
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