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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 5 @ 9:35 AM ET
Someone please detach my retinas until the draft.
- hereticpride


Trust me, Bro. You REALLY don't want that
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 5 @ 9:52 AM ET
Isles in the middle of a free fall. Should be an easy win for you guys.
- rangerdanger94

3 games is a free fall?

If that's the case then I suppose Lundqvist was decapitated.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 5 @ 9:52 AM ET
More on Mason.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...wayne_gretzky_of_sum.html

Mason, who will be in goal for the Flyers for Thursday night's home game against the Islanders, bragged that he won the scoring title two summers in a row and that all of his impressive stats can be looked up on the PBHL website.

We looked them up.

They're impressive. In 45 career games, Mason has 69 goals and 127 points. That comes to 2.82 points per game, which ranks third in league history.

His stats are even slightly better than the league's other NHL player, who happens to be a forward. New York Islanders center Casey Cizikas has 88 points over 41 career games for a 2.15 points-per-game average that's more than a half-a-point below Mason.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 5 @ 9:53 AM ET
"THIS COMMITTEE OWES AN APOLOGY, SENATOR!"

http://www.broadstreethoc...hiladelphia-flyers-goalie

I give this guy credit for writing this article, because at least someone has finally admitted they were wrong on Steve Mason.

The one thing he DIDN'T do in the article, which was disappointing, was that he didn't embrace the notion that past performance (especially captured in statistics) does not necessarily predict the future (any Wall Street quant worth his/her salt knows this). Goaltending is volatile to begin with (he does acknowledge this), but to simply rely on past numbers accumulated without context applied to them shows a basic misunderstanding of how to use data.

- johndewar


The advanced stat community has pretty universally acknowledged that it's very difficult to evaluate goalies using advanced stats. Their are some new things out that may be able to offer a little more perspective.

Save percentages are so volatile from year to year. Look at a guy like Fleury. He's having a great year after being an average starter the past several seasons. A guy like Ben Bichop was unbelievable last year and is just solid this year.

It's impossible to predict which of the top 20-25 goalies are going to put up great numbers from year to year. It's just important to have one of those top 20-25 because there is a drop off after them.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 5 @ 9:55 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 2/5/15 vs. NYI
- bmeltzer


Wayne Simmonds is a pro, it doesn't matter who he plays with, he's gonna try to play to the best of his ability. With this said though, while Berube might feel he's doing the right thing by keeping the fourth line together while sacrificing everything else, Wayne Simmonds has seen a lot of different line mates since December. Brayden Schenn, Michael Raffl, Scott Laughton, Zac Rinaldo, Ryan White, Peter Straka have all seen time with Simmonds. While I understand it's been cause for injury, finding consistent line mates has not hurt any of the other lines. I believe the fourth line should be broken up at some point. Love or hate Lecavalier, he's played a lot better since being scratched and it's gonna be tough for him to justify his deal with limited line mates. Chris Vandevelde even looks like a guy who might have earned some second PP unit time.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 5 @ 9:58 AM ET
Colaiacovo was prone to letting guys get behind him for breakaways, like Grabner did for the first goal last time we played them.

Hopefully Grossmann-MacDonald will play as well as they did in the first game against Pittsburgh, when they were actually used as the 1st pairing.

- Feanor

I'm sure they'll be rust but I feel Grossmann has been one of our better defense all season long. Even offensively, if you can believe that.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 5 @ 10:06 AM ET
More on Mason.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...wayne_gretzky_of_sum.html

Mason, who will be in goal for the Flyers for Thursday night's home game against the Islanders, bragged that he won the scoring title two summers in a row and that all of his impressive stats can be looked up on the PBHL website.

We looked them up.

They're impressive. In 45 career games, Mason has 69 goals and 127 points. That comes to 2.82 points per game, which ranks third in league history.

His stats are even slightly better than the league's other NHL player, who happens to be a forward. New York Islanders center Casey Cizikas has 88 points over 41 career games for a 2.15 points-per-game average that's more than a half-a-point below Mason.

- Feanor



Really neeat article on Mase... thanks for posting..Those are some ridiculous numbers even for ball hockey.. I'd love to see Mase take a shot at the open net some time.. I think he could definitely score and I would be ecstatic to see it happen.. I am sure Hexy would too!
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 5 @ 10:08 AM ET
More on Mason.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...wayne_gretzky_of_sum.html

Mason, who will be in goal for the Flyers for Thursday night's home game against the Islanders, bragged that he won the scoring title two summers in a row and that all of his impressive stats can be looked up on the PBHL website.

We looked them up.

They're impressive. In 45 career games, Mason has 69 goals and 127 points. That comes to 2.82 points per game, which ranks third in league history.

His stats are even slightly better than the league's other NHL player, who happens to be a forward. New York Islanders center Casey Cizikas has 88 points over 41 career games for a 2.15 points-per-game average that's more than a half-a-point below Mason.

- Feanor


Mason - Giroux - Voracek
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 5 @ 10:14 AM ET
Mason - Giroux - Voracek
- Streit2ThePoint

Bailey, Donovan, conditional 6th round pick for Mason and Gostisbehergstisheregosbeereghostwankerheregost
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 10:14 AM ET
Someone please detach my retinas until the draft.
- hereticpride


No
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Feb 5 @ 10:15 AM ET
More on Mason.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...wayne_gretzky_of_sum.html

Mason, who will be in goal for the Flyers for Thursday night's home game against the Islanders, bragged that he won the scoring title two summers in a row and that all of his impressive stats can be looked up on the PBHL website.

We looked them up.

They're impressive. In 45 career games, Mason has 69 goals and 127 points. That comes to 2.82 points per game, which ranks third in league history.

- Feanor


Thanks for posting
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 5 @ 10:17 AM ET
Bailey, Donovan, conditional 6th round pick for Mason and Gostisbehergstisheregosbeereghostwankerheregost
- eichiefs9


2015 cond 6th or 2016?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 5 @ 10:19 AM ET
2015 cond 6th or 2016?
- Streit2ThePoint

'22
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 5 @ 10:19 AM ET
'22
- eichiefs9


Only if you include '17 12th round
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 10:20 AM ET
ummm..question here. Whats going to happen when we have coby and kimmo back ? I mean def getting coby back but kimmo is the question. Who is going ?L Schenn to me has played himself into non scrath right now and along with del soto. Need to make a move soon I think.
- jmdodgeser4


Without having Capgeek, can't see the actual numbers, but I believe some moves are going to have to be made. It's also possible that some players are going to be scratched just due to pure numbers, not because of poor play.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 5 @ 10:25 AM ET
Without having Capgeek, can't see the actual numbers, but I believe some moves are going to have to be made. It's also possible that some players are going to be scratched just due to pure numbers, not because of poor play.
- MJL


Cap hit

P E Bellemare $600,000.00
Braydon Coburn $4,500,000.00
Carlo Colaiacovo $625,000.00
Sean Couturier $1,750,000.00
Ray Emery $1,000,000.00
Claude Giroux $8,275,000.00
Nick Grossmann $3,500,000.00
Scott Laughton $863,333.00
Vincent LeCavalier $4,500,000.00
Andy MacDonald $5,000,000.00
Steve Mason $4,100,000.00
Chris Pronger $4,941,429.00
Michael Raffl $1,100,000.00
Matt Read $3,625,000.00
Zac Rinaldo $750,000.00
Braden Schenn $2,500,000.00
Luke Schenn $3,600,000.00
Nick Schultz $1,250,000.00
Wayne Simmonds $3,975,000.00
Mark Streit $5,250,000.00
Kimmo Timonen $2,000,000.00
RJ Umberger $4,600,000.00
Chris VandeVelde $575,000.00
Jakub Voracek $4,250,000.00
Ryan White $575,000.00
Michael Zel Zotto $1,300,000.00
Bonus penalty $345,000.00
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 5 @ 10:28 AM ET
If the Flyers draft in the 9-10 range what are the thoughts on Mikko Rantanen?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 10:29 AM ET
If the Flyers draft in the 9-10 range what are the thoughts on Mikko Rantanen?
- nastyflyergirl


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 10:30 AM ET
Cap hit

P E Bellemare $600,000.00
Braydon Coburn $4,500,000.00
Carlo Colaiacovo $625,000.00
Sean Couturier $1,750,000.00
Ray Emery $1,000,000.00
Claude Giroux $8,275,000.00
Nick Grossmann $3,500,000.00
Scott Laughton $863,333.00
Vincent LeCavalier $4,500,000.00
Andy MacDonald $5,000,000.00
Steve Mason $4,100,000.00
Chris Pronger $4,941,429.00
Michael Raffl $1,100,000.00
Matt Read $3,625,000.00
Zac Rinaldo $750,000.00
Braden Schenn $2,500,000.00
Luke Schenn $3,600,000.00
Nick Schultz $1,250,000.00
Wayne Simmonds $3,975,000.00
Mark Streit $5,250,000.00
Kimmo Timonen $2,000,000.00
RJ Umberger $4,600,000.00
Chris VandeVelde $575,000.00
Jakub Voracek $4,250,000.00
Ryan White $575,000.00
Michael Zel Zotto $1,300,000.00
Bonus penalty $345,000.00

- nastyflyergirl


Players cap hits are readily available. What's not available, is how much LTIR cap space the Flyers have that is unused if any, to know how much they have to clear to add Timonen. We know that they have to clear the equivalent of 2M, including any unused space that they have. They could also retroactively put an injured player on LTIR if they already haven't done so, such as Raffl. One easy move that they can do is waive and demote Colaiacovo
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 5 @ 10:33 AM ET
Players cap hits are readily available. What's not available, is how much LTIR cap space the Flyers have that is unused if any, to know how much they have to clear to add Timonen. We know that they have to clear the equivalent of 2M, including any unused space that they have. They could also retroactively put an injured player on LTIR if they already haven't done so, such as Raffl. One easy move that they can do is waive and demote Colaiacovo
- MJL



last I saw White was on for 90 days and of course Pronger and Timonen all season. Its really a shame capgeek is gone. it was a great source
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 5 @ 10:34 AM ET

- ob18



Fits the mold of size and skill who can also skate that I want to see the Flyers get.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Feb 5 @ 10:34 AM ET
If the Flyers draft in the 9-10 range what are the thoughts on Mikko Rantanen?
- nastyflyergirl

Don't think he will be there. Not sure he makes it past Columbus with Kekalainen having a good eye for European talent. Think Columbus goes Rantanen or Kylington.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 10:36 AM ET
Don't think he will be there. Not sure he makes it past Columbus with Kekalainen having a good eye for European talent. Think Columbus goes Rantanen or Kylington.
- psuhockey


Either would be worthy
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 10:37 AM ET
Fits the mold of size and skill who can also skate that I want to see the Flyers get.
- nastyflyergirl


In the end it will be Lawson Crouse
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 5 @ 10:45 AM ET
In the end it will be Lawson Crouse
- ob18

Hanifin Kylington Werenski

keep stocking the D
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