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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 2:58 PM ET
I win, game over.
- BulliesPhan87


Best 2 out of 3?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 2 @ 2:58 PM ET
The way he had been playing, Coburn deserved to sit just as much as any other player several times this year. Not saying he should have been out for 6 games, but 1-2 games were warranted, to me. Do you disagree?
- jmatchett383



Like I said previously, Berube has scratched different players for different reasons. One factor that comes into play, is whether the coach feels he has an adequate replacement for the player. My guess is that Berube feels that Coburn is his best defenseman, so he's not going to be willing to scratch Coburn, and I agree with that. Even though Coburn's play has been up and down, and not undeserving. I don't see it as favoritism.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 2:59 PM ET
Like I said previously, Berube has scratched different players for different reasons. One factor that comes into play, is whether the coach feels he has an adequate replacement for the player. My guess is that Berube feels that Coburn is his best defenseman, so he's not going to be willing to scratch Coburn, and I agree with that. Even though Coburn's play has been up and down, and not undeserving. I don't see it as favoritism.
- MJL


He didn't really have anyone that could adequately replace what MDZ brings, either.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Feb 2 @ 3:00 PM ET
Come for the Bill, stay for the daily pissing match.

Monday: Brayden Schenn is a coward
Tuesday: Validity of advanced stats
Wednesday: Advanced Stats, Zac Rinaldo, MDZ Trifecta
Thursday-Sunday: Validity of advanced stats

- jmatchett383


**Thursday-Saturday: Validity of advanced stats
*Sunday: Will ghost, Morin, Sanhiem all be what we're hyping them up to be


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:02 PM ET
**Thursday-Saturday: Validity of advanced stats
*Sunday: Will ghost, Morin, Sanhiem all be what we're hyping them up to be



- benjichronic


Damn, how could I forget Superbust Sundays?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 2 @ 3:04 PM ET
Best 2 out of 3?
- jmatchett383

You need to level up a few more times before you unlock multigame matches.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
You need to level up a few more times before you unlock multigame matches.
- BulliesPhan87


I'm only a level 30 pisser, I need to buy the expansion to get to 50.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
**Thursday-Saturday: Validity of advanced stats
*Sunday: Will ghost, Morin, Sanhiem all be what we're hyping them up to be



- benjichronic

They won't. Ghost will never skate again. Morin can't even play for Canada regularly and Sanhiem is too light.

S'over.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:06 PM ET
They won't. Ghost will never skate again. Morin can't even play for Canada regularly and Sanhiem is too light.

S'over.

- mayorofangrytown


Amorosa is the future!
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Feb 2 @ 3:06 PM ET
Come for the Bill, stay for the daily pissing match.

Monday: Brayden Schenn is a coward
Tuesday: Validity of advanced stats
Wednesday: Advanced Stats, Zac Rinaldo, MDZ Trifecta
Thursday-Sunday: Validity of advanced stats

- jmatchett383

That pretty much sums it up.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 2 @ 3:10 PM ET
They won't. Ghost will never skate again. Morin can't even play for Canada regularly and Sanhiem is too light.

S'over.

- mayorofangrytown


You forgot Hagg's lack of effort
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 2 @ 3:11 PM ET
Amorosa is the future!
- jmatchett383

Nick Luukko...?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 2 @ 3:11 PM ET
You forgot Hagg's lack of effort
- PhillySportsGuy

I thought that was assumed.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:13 PM ET
You forgot Hagg's lack of effort
- PhillySportsGuy


Tools of Alexander Daigle, heart of Alexander Daigle
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 2 @ 3:14 PM ET
Like I said previously, Berube has scratched different players for different reasons. One factor that comes into play, is whether the coach feels he has an adequate replacement for the player. My guess is that Berube feels that Coburn is his best defenseman, so he's not going to be willing to scratch Coburn, and I agree with that. Even though Coburn's play has been up and down, and not undeserving. I don't see it as favoritism.
- MJL


Coburn's status and situation with the team in terms of importance is no different from RJ Umberger and Matt Read. I'm not a fan of Berube's current body of work but there are a few guys who should be scratched that haven't been and it's probably because the Coach feels he can't afford to scratch them.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:14 PM ET
Nick Luukko...?
- mayorofangrytown


Lauridsen. Bobby Orr is a real man's body.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 2 @ 3:15 PM ET
I'm only a level 30 pisser, I need to buy the expansion to get to 50.
- jmatchett383

if you buy the expansion now, you'll unlock the exclusive golden pisser upgrade

only available on preorders placed at GameStop (power to the player)
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:17 PM ET
if you buy the expansion now, you'll unlock the exclusive golden pisser upgrade

only available on preorders placed at GameStop (power to the player)

- BulliesPhan87


I've been banned from all GameStop's worldwide ever since the God of War II incident. But let's not talk about that.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 2 @ 3:20 PM ET
Come for the Bill, stay for the daily pissing match.

Monday: Brayden Schenn is a coward
Tuesday: Validity of advanced stats
Wednesday: Advanced Stats, Zac Rinaldo, MDZ Trifecta
Thursday-Sunday: Validity of advanced stats

- jmatchett383


Cough, cough, Grossmann, cough
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 2 @ 3:20 PM ET
Cough, cough, Grossmann, cough
- Jsaquella


Grossmann falls into the advanced stats category.

It's kind of a broad spectrum.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 2 @ 3:24 PM ET
He didn't really have anyone that could adequately replace what MDZ brings, either.
- jmatchett383



At the time he had players that could adequately play in his place. Another factor is what scratching a player will accomplish. There's a purpose behind it rather then just scratching a player just because he's made some mistakes. With some players, scratching them isn't going to accomplish anything. Such is the case with Coburn. Just have to let him play through it. Same with Read and Umberger.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 2 @ 3:30 PM ET
At the time he had players that could adequately play in his place. Another factor is what scratching a player will accomplish. There's a purpose behind it rather then just scratching a player just because he's made some mistakes. With some players, scratching them isn't going to accomplish anything. Such is the case with Coburn. Just have to let him play through it. Same with Read and Umberger.
- MJL


I like Luke Schenn but Grossmann is a better player right now and they play a similar style. It also helps that Nick Schultz is playing well. In Del Zotto's case, Mark Streit is a better version of him most nights, which also doesn't make Del Zotto's place safe. The players you might consider unique are Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Mason, Couturier, Read, Umberger, Coburn, Streit and Grossmann. There are certain players you need to continue to play that are young, like Brayden Schenn.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 2 @ 3:30 PM ET
He didn't really have anyone that could adequately replace what MDZ brings, either.
- jmatchett383


Flyers with Coburn: 10-14-5
Flyers without Coburn: 12-8-2

Regardless of anything else, it seems like they're doing better when Coburn is out than when he is in.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Feb 2 @ 3:32 PM ET
I've been banned from all GameStop's worldwide ever since the God of War II incident. But let's not talk about that.
- jmatchett383


We don't like to talk about such violent acts, in such a peaceful place such as hockeybuzz comment boards
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 2 @ 3:34 PM ET
Flyers with Coburn: 10-14-5
Flyers without Coburn: 12-8-2

Regardless of anything else, it seems like they're doing better when Coburn is out than when he is in.

- Jsaquella


Here we go more fancy stats
I was wondering about this

How would we survive after trading him?
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