exactly what I anticipated
- TheNugeIsHuge

It not worth it. I don't pump Shultz at all. But I also don't pump Petry with his gaffs and his missing the net with 90% of his shots.

Somehow Petry gets a one year deal and everyone faults management. Shultz gets a one year similar deal and everyone says oh Shultz must be a greedy (frank) and asking too much

Lol
- Iggysbff

Shultz is a bust. Look how many games he has played? Might as well not even offer him a contract and just cut our losses and move on. No chance he could improve. Even though he is 5th in team scoring, has double the points of Petry, and won't even mention how much better his +/- is than Petry's.

That was one of the more terrible PPs I've seen this season that didn't end up in a SHG.

I don't see much of Calgary, but one cant even accuse them of just clogging it up and playing defence from the neutral zone back.

theyre skating and really trying to push play. constantly stretching the ice.
this game is back and forth

Shultz is a bust. Look how many games he has played? Might as well not even offer him a contract and just cut our losses and move on. No chance he could improve. Even though he is 5th in team scoring, has double the points of Petry, and won't even mention how much better his +/- is than Petry's.
- leonkennedy

oh wow. his +- is better. Alec Martinez's +- is better than Doughty's. Hmmmm

have Schultz and Petry swap roles for a season then look at their numbers

Shultz is a bust. Look how many games he has played? Might as well not even offer him a contract and just cut our losses and move on. No chance he could improve. Even though he is 5th in team scoring, has double the points of Petry, and won't even mention how much better his +/- is than Petry's.
- leonkennedy

oh wow. his +- is better. Alec Martinez's +- is better than Doughty's. Hmmmm

have Schultz and Petry swap roles for a season then look at their numbers
- TheNugeIsHuge

That is your argument?

That is your argument?
- leonkennedy

first he used an example to point out the obvious meaninglessness of plus/minus.
which would absolutely be applicable in petry/Schultz case.

and then he tried to put the numbers into qoc and difficulty of minutes context.

what was wrong with the retort?

That is your argument?
- leonkennedy

your argument was a useless stat and some smileys? congrats JB's eclipsed you, at least he's not blindly cocky though, my god

Schultz has not looked too bad these past 5-6 games, I will say that. Maybe Nelson has something to do with it

first he used an example to point out the obvious meaninglessness of plus/minus.
and would absolutely be applicable in petry/Schultz case.

and then tried to put the numbers into qoc and difficulty of minutes context.

what was wrong with the retort?
- Ihateallofu

The swapping roles first off, as it is in no way probable, simply speculation based on an already biased opinion towards said players. It is about as useless as him earlier saying the reason Schultz was leading in blocks, is because more shots are being given up when he is on the ice. About as useless as plus minus considering there are 4 other players on the ice when those shots are taken.

I was a serious Schultz believer after 2013. Thought he'd have 55P last season.

Probably effective with a great partner, and stud pair in from of him. Doesn't exist in Edmonton. Petry effective fed to the wolves
- TheNugeIsHuge

I think they're just two sides of the same coin.

Petry- the tough opposition, low event Dman that lacks offensive flair

Schultz- the middling opposition (since being paired with Klefbom, that is), high event Dman that lacks defensive intensity- although I think he's improved in this regard since Nelson took over.

Both make egregious mistakes at times and both have their respective shortcomings. As of now, I'd definitely say Petry is more significant, but long term, I'd argue that Schultz offers a rarer skillset that is equally important on a contending team.

your argument was a useless stat and some smileys? congrats JB's eclipsed you, at least he's not blindly cocky though, my god
- TheNugeIsHuge

The worst part about your arrogance, is that you actually think you know what your are talking about all the time. Glad the internet, and stealing quotes from articles and passing them off as your own has given you the false confidence to actually believe this. Gonna WoW us with some magical corsi stats next???

The swapping roles first off, as it is in no way probable, simply speculation based on an already biased opinion towards said players. It is about as useless as him earlier saying the reason Schultz was leading in blocks, is because more shots are being given up when he is on the ice. About as useless as plus minus considering there are 4 other players on the ice when those shots are taken.
- leonkennedy

well petry plays a much tougher defensive role against tougher competition against the other teams top units every night. how is this not applicable?


I don't know about the other reference u mentioned.

I think they're just two sides of the same coin.

Petry- the tough opposition, low event Dman that lacks offensive flair

Schultz- the middling opposition (since being paired with Klefbom, that is), high event Dman that lacks defensive intensity- although I think he's improved in this regard since Nelson took over.

Both make egregious mistakes at times and both have their respective shortcomings. As of now, I'd definitely say Petry is more significant, but long term, I'd argue that Schultz offers a rarer skillset that is equally important on a contending team.
- MaximumBone

solid post.

The worst part about your arrogance, is that you actually think you know what your are talking about all the time. Glad the internet, and stealing quotes from articles and passing them off as your own has given you the false confidence to actually believe this. Gonna WoW us with some magical corsi stats next???
- leonkennedy

When you go wildly off topic, I know you've got nothing pal

What's more ridiculous, thinking there's value to possession numbers or paying for a season ticket on hockey buzz?

Why is Wolf in this game instead of Baert?

Oilers are much better after MacT came back to coach. He should probably stay there next season too.

Why is Wolf in this game instead of Baert?

Oilers are much better after MacT came back to coach. He should probably stay there next season too.
- FLflames34

We all know they play different roles. Petry can't do what Shultz can. And vice versa. My point is neither are perfect. But one seems to take all the flack while the other gets blindly praised.

The worst part about your arrogance, is that you actually think you know what your are talking about all the time. Glad the internet, and stealing quotes from articles and passing them off as your own has given you the false confidence to actually believe this. Gonna WoW us with some magical corsi stats next???
- leonkennedy

Retorting to NiH? Check. Needlessly inflammatory? Check. Mocking of possession stats? Check!

This is definitely a Rutts post.

Why is Wolf in this game instead of Baert?

Oilers are much better after MacT came back to coach. He should probably stay there next season too.
- FLflames34

MacT isn't coaching. That's Nelson.

I think they're just two sides of the same coin.

Petry- the tough opposition, low event Dman that lacks offensive flair

Schultz- the middling opposition (since being paired with Klefbom, that is), high event Dman that lacks defensive intensity- although I think he's improved in this regard since Nelson took over.

Both make egregious mistakes at times and both have their respective shortcomings. As of now, I'd definitely say Petry is more significant, but long term, I'd argue that Schultz offers a rarer skillset that is equally important on a contending team.
- MaximumBone

Fair.

Though I don't know if I'd say Schultz's skill set is more rare yet. Hasn't proved yet that he's more than a 3rd pairing PP specialist, at least in my eyes.

Pretty rare to find a >50% possession player with the minutes Petry plays on a team like EDM

well petry plays a much tougher defensive role against tougher competition against the other teams top units every night. how is this not applicable?


I don't know about the other reference u mentioned.
- Ihateallofu

How is what not applicable? The players switching roles and it WOULD be different because I said so part? While we are at it comparing the two, have you two completely forgot the age difference, and amount of NHL games played between the two?

Retorting to NiH? Check. Needlessly inflammatory? Check. Mocking of possession stats? Check!

This is definitely a Rutts post.
- MaximumBone

just missing 23 big boy laughing emojis to further the hollow point

When you go wildly off topic, I know you've got nothing pal

What's more ridiculous, thinking there's value to possession numbers or paying for a season ticket on hockey buzz?
- TheNugeIsHuge

IT is always off topic when you can't think of anything to say. The second part was free. If you wasted less time on corsi websites (still a stat not recognized by the NHL) you would figure out how to get free sh!t.