It will.

I also doubt OEL gets traded unless the Coyotes get a king's ransom. Chris Pronger cost the Flyers a 30 goal winger, a top prospect who had been a 1st rounder the year before and two additional 1st rounders. He was 34. Ekman-Larsson is 11 years younger. Not getting him unless you pay a ton.

A package of Laughton, Morin and a 1st isn't likely to do it.
- Jsaquella

I would do Couturier, Morin, Coburn and 1st

I would like to see Simmonds have two stable line mates for an extended period of time. He seems to be the guy that is moved all around the lineup.
I just think he brings more to this team than points. He is a top power forward.
G Jake Simmonds and Mason are my untouchables
- 3flyerkids

I would, too. But I'm also not going to say no if I can trade him in a deal for a 23 year old franchise defenseman.

Remember when the Carter for Voracek and a 1st rumors started leaking? people hated it on this board. Few years later, nobody would reverse it.

The Yotes would start any deal for OEL by asking for Voracek
- BiggE

That's who I would want if I was them.

I hear ya. I still root for them to win, but Im not losing any sleep when they lose
- BiggE

exactly

I would, too. But I'm also not going to say no if I can trade him in a deal for a 23 year old franchise defenseman.

Remember when the Carter for Voracek and a 1st rumors started leaking? people hated it on this board. Few years later, nobody would reverse it.
- Jsaquella

True. To be honest I loved both deals instantly. I had to convince my kids they were good though.

I would, too. But I'm also not going to say no if I can trade him in a deal for a 23 year old franchise defenseman.

Remember when the Carter for Voracek and a 1st rumors started leaking? people hated it on this board. Few years later, nobody would reverse it.
- Jsaquella

I'm sure if the Flyers could get OEL for Simmonds, and a 1st, nobody would complain.

That's who I would want if I was them.
- Jsaquella

Yup, point per game player with another year on a very affordable deal.

My guess is the Yotes would ask for Jake, Morin and this year's 1st and I doubt they would move him for less.

Man I just dont get it and Im sorry.. Based on some of the deals I just read it seems their are some people here that would move Giroux or Voracek before entertaining the mere thought of trading Couturier.

All I see are excuses for him...
-5? not his fault.
2 goals more then Corpseberger... Not his fault bad wingers.
He is too young to move....
Couturier is 22 and has played 255 games in the NHL
B Schenn is 23 and has played 242 games in the NHL.

He is a solid young player that could either stay what he is which is a good 3 line checking center or possibly be a 2 line center. If I can move Couturier a prospect and a pick for OEL then why is their even hesitation?

Please realize this is not one of my normal rants against him.. I have tried all season long to not just say Couturier is overrated but at a certain point both he and B Schenn need to take the next step or else they are what they are and if they stay that way..both are significantly easier to replace then a legit #1 D man prospect like OEL.

Yup, point per game player with another year on a very affordable deal.

My guess is the Yotes would ask for Jake, Morin and this year's 1st and I doubt they would move him for less.
- BiggE

I wouldn't even give them Voracek alone. I know they are shooting for the moon, I'd offer them a good return, but I'm not giving up Giroux or Voracek for him

Man I just dont get it and Im sorry.. Based on some of the deals I just read it seems their are some people here that would move Giroux or Voracek before entertaining the mere thought of trading Couturier.

All I see are excuses for him...
-5? not his fault.
2 goals more then Corpseberger... Not his fault bad wingers.
He is too young to move....
Couturier is 22 and has played 255 games in the NHL
B Schenn is 23 and has played 242 games in the NHL.

He is a solid young player that could either stay what he is which is a good 3 line checking center or possibly be a 2 line center. If I can move Couturier a prospect and a pick for OEL then why is their even hesitation?

Please realize this is not one of my normal rants against him.. I have tried all season long to not just say Couturier is overrated but at a certain point both he and B Schenn need to take the next step or else they are what they are and if they stay that way..both are significantly easier to replace then a legit #1 D man prospect like OEL.
- opeth_pa

I'd do Couturier, prospect & pick for OEL so fast your head would explode

I wouldn't even give them Voracek alone. I know they are shooting for the moon, I'd offer them a good return, but I'm not giving up Giroux or Voracek for him
- Jsaquella

Straight up, I'd probably trade Jake for OEL. I think a franchise dman is more valuable than a 1st line winger. But I very much doubt it happens

I wouldn't even give them Voracek alone. I know they are shooting for the moon, I'd offer them a good return, but I'm not giving up Giroux or Voracek for him
- Jsaquella

Agreed.. OEL has not accomplished enough to warrant a Voracek or Giroux..
Weber or Doughty then it makes sense but not OEL at this point.

I'd do Couturier, prospect & pick for OEL so fast your head would explode
- Jsaquella

Hell I'd drive Coots to the airport and pay for his ticket!

Straight up, I'd probably trade Jake for OEL. I think a franchise dman is more valuable than a 1st line winger. But I very much doubt it happens
- BiggE

If the Flyers didnt have multiple defensive prospects in the pipeline I might think of this.

With Sanheim, Morin, Haag , Ghost all on the near horizon I dont move Voracek for any dman not named Weber or Doughty .

Man I just dont get it and Im sorry.. Based on some of the deals I just read it seems their are some people here that would move Giroux or Voracek before entertaining the mere thought of trading Couturier.

All I see are excuses for him...
-5? not his fault.
2 goals more then Corpseberger... Not his fault bad wingers.
He is too young to move....
Couturier is 22 and has played 255 games in the NHL
B Schenn is 23 and has played 242 games in the NHL.

He is a solid young player that could either stay what he is which is a good 3 line checking center or possibly be a 2 line center. If I can move Couturier a prospect and a pick for OEL then why is their even hesitation?

Please realize this is not one of my normal rants against him.. I have tried all season long to not just say Couturier is overrated but at a certain point both he and B Schenn need to take the next step or else they are what they are and if they stay that way..both are significantly easier to replace then a legit #1 D man prospect like OEL.
- opeth_pa

I'll explain where my hesitation is. I believe to build a cup team, you need to be strong on defense, and strong up the middle, which includes goaltending and the center position. I think you need that 1-2 punch at center, and I don't believe either Schenn or Laughton will be as good as Couturier will be when all is said and done.

Agreed.. OEL has not accomplished enough to warrant a Voracek or Giroux..
Weber or Doughty then it makes sense but not OEL at this point.
- opeth_pa

The problem is teams don't deal guys like Doughty and Weber. If you want OEL he will cost Voracek, I doubt the Yotes would do the deal without him

If the Flyers didnt have multiple defensive prospects in the pipeline I might think of this.

With Sanheim, Morin, Haag , Ghost all on the near horizon I dont move Voracek for any dman not named Weber or Doughty .
- opeth_pa

Fair enough, its a tough call either way

The problem is teams don't deal guys like Doughty and Weber. If you want OEL he will cost Voracek, I doubt the Yotes would do the deal without him
- BiggE

Do they do deal for B Schenn and Coots?

Instead of OEL, let's have cap "panic"

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 21s21 seconds ago

Bettman said last weekend NHL's cap would be ~$71.7-million if the dollar stayed at 80 cents rest of the way. Already down to 78.5 today.

The problem is teams don't deal guys like Doughty and Weber. If you want OEL he will cost Voracek, I doubt the Yotes would do the deal without him
- BiggE

Agreed and I guess for me personally that would be my stopping point. I'm not moving Giroux or Voracek unless it's for an return. IE Voracek and Rimaldo = Stamkos.

Simmonds ES points are over 3 seasons. 98 ES points in 259 games as a Flyer. Mike Richards, the one in decline has 82 ES points in 251 games as a King
- Jsaquella

That doesn't diminish his value to this team.

That doesn't diminish his value to this team.
- puckhead17

Of course it doesn't. It's really not a viable argument. Mike Richards just got waived and sent down to the AHL. Wayne Simmonds is one of the top young power forwards in the entire NHL.

Instead of OEL, let's have cap "panic"

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 21s21 seconds ago

Bettman said last weekend NHL's cap would be ~$71.7-million if the dollar stayed at 80 cents rest of the way. Already down to 78.5 today.
- Jsaquella

Bettman is just guesstimating. The Cap will be what it is. And it will be more then enough to put a good team on the ice.

That doesn't diminish his value to this team.
- puckhead17

Nope, just means he's not anywhere near as irreplaceable as Giroux or Voracek.

Nope, just means he's not anywhere near as irreplaceable as Giroux or Voracek.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, I see your point, but he brings different elements, intangibles, to the team.
He's clearly our 3rd best forward.