I think the Pens are better served at present if they leave Perron and Hornqvist with Crosby. Despite Kunitz' chemistry in the past, he seems to play best with them...but that's just me.
- jmatchett383

Then move Kunitz with Malkin. Fact is this, most ideas, not all, on this site have little merit when it comes to making sense. Moving Kunitz for a pick or a prospect to make room for a 42 year old Jagr is a joke. Moving any good asset for a 2.5 month rental at this stage of the ball game is a joke. Why? Because the organization has moved too many good assets (picks and prospects) for rentals that failed and our farm system is short on good forward help. Move a second round pick for another rental in Jagr, takes Pittsburgh out of the top three rounds of the draft. Not a wise move considering where we are.

I want to be clear my main point is that we are a fit for trade partners as far as I see it. Hasn't nothing to do with me thinking our young d guys are better just we already have that and I imagine LOU wants at least a conditional first in this years draft and you guys traded your ( for better value ) so again not a match and that's what it comes down to both franchises seem to be light in the forward prospect department l.
- blizzzard

We dont have a 1st round pick in this draft... gave it for Perron. Also, despite Jagr being Jagr... a 1st round pick is too high for him in my opinion.

If you guys do get that, congrats, good deal for you.

Then move Kunitz with Malkin. Fact is this, most ideas, not all, on this site have little merit when it comes to making sense. Moving Kunitz for a pick or a prospect to make room for a 42 year old Jagr is a joke. Moving any good asset for a 2.5 month rental at this stage of the ball game is a joke. Why? Because the organization has moved too many good assets (picks and prospects) for rentals that failed and our farm system is short on good forward help. Move a second round pick for another rental in Jagr, takes Pittsburgh out of the top three rounds of the draft. Not a wise move considering where we are.
- Oneonta Penguin

I agree with everything here. But we're just kicking around ideas of what it would theoretically take to get a guy like Jagr whether or not it's a wise move.

We dont have a 1st round pick in this draft... gave it for Perron. Also, despite Jagr being Jagr... a 1st round pick is too high for him in my opinion.

If you guys do get that, congrats, good deal for you.
- Guile

I think he gets either a 1st, or a top-40 2nd and a prospect.

I want to be clear my main point is that we are a fit for trade partners as far as I see it. Hasn't nothing to do with me thinking our young d guys are better just we already have that and I imagine LOU wants at least a conditional first in this years draft and you guys traded your ( for better value ) so again not a match and that's what it comes down to both franchises seem to be light in the forward prospect department l.
- blizzzard

No doubt. There isn't anything that we could realistically come up with that would suit a rebuilding team. Unless Lou likes Sutter, then we have no deal that has realistic value.

I agree with everything here. But we're just kicking around ideas of what it would theoretically take to get a guy like Jagr whether or not it's a wise move.
- jmatchett383

He isn't worth a first rounder; he isn't worth a top prospect. I think people are just craving to get JJ back in Pittsburgh, they are willing to overpay for something that doesn't have that sort of value. Which ever GM gives Lou a first or a top prospect for him should be canned.

Jagr isn't a best fit for this team. The infatuation with him boggles my mind. Kunitz is a 20-25 goal scorer, a forward that actually has chemistry with Sid (note to many ... we have had a rough time finding forwards to go with him absent Perron). So, people want to purge someone off the roster that you know what you get, for a 42 year old pending free agent?
- Oneonta Penguin

The Kuni/Sid era is over, did you see Sid flipping shat on him during the Caps game? I am a huge Kuni fan but he has lost a step possibly 2 since the Olympics, which was sadly his last hoorah.

Jagr is still a world class talent, he is exactly what we need; and if it some how gets Sutturd out of here that's 2 birds one stone if you ask me.

I want to be clear my main point is that we are a fit for trade partners as far as I see it. Hasn't nothing to do with me thinking our young d guys are better just we already have that and I imagine LOU wants at least a conditional first in this years draft and you guys traded your ( for better value ) so again not a match and that's what it comes down to both franchises seem to be light in the forward prospect department l.
- blizzzard

For me, I think that's a stretch. No offense to Jagr or the Devils, but I think the possibility of trading a first round pick for a 42 year old player is lunacy. I don't care if it's the 30th pick in this draft. It's crazy.

He isn't worth a first rounder; he isn't worth a top prospect. I think people are just craving to get JJ back in Pittsburgh, they are willing to overpay for something that doesn't have that sort of value. Which ever GM gives Lou a first or a top prospect for him should be canned.
- Oneonta Penguin

Agreed. #EndJagrWatch2015

He isn't worth a first rounder; he isn't worth a top prospect. I think people are just craving to get JJ back in Pittsburgh, they are willing to overpay for something that doesn't have that sort of value. Which ever GM gives Lou a first or a top prospect for him should be canned.
- Oneonta Penguin

Well, I disagree that he'll get a 1st by a GM desperate to win a Cup, but that's fine.

Well, I disagree that he'll get a 1st by a GM desperate to win a Cup, but that's fine.
- jmatchett383

He probably will by some buffoon GM. That is totally different than what his true worth is because he isn't worth a first.

Let some other idiot GM overspend for him.

I think he gets either a 1st, or a top-40 2nd and a prospect.
- jmatchett383

Again, if he gets that, good for the Devils. The most I think we could offer, or "should" is a 3rd, and Harrington.

I just hateeeee Harrington. Hes got potential, but with Dumoulin and Pouliot, I don't feel like waiting for him.

Our power play is stale and has been figured out by every divisional foe we play, Jagr jump starts the PP to new levels of excellence. He is a half wall genius, he absolutely blows Sid away at that spot. I don't care if he is 62, look at the guy he is a physical specimen; still immoveable down low and still has some of the leagues best hands.

For me, I think that's a stretch. No offense to Jagr or the Devils, but I think the possibility of trading a first round pick for a 42 year old player is lunacy. I don't care if it's the 30th pick in this draft. It's crazy.
- madmike71

What if the pick is conditional on, say, the Penguins making the Stanley Cup Finals?

FYI everyone, we gave up a first for David Perron. A 26 year old winger with another deal left on his contract. A good 26 year old winger that has played on sh*t teams. If a GM gives a first for a 42 year old rental... They are out of their minds.

Again, if he gets that, good for the Devils. The most I think we could offer, or "should" is a 3rd, and Harrington.

I just hateeeee Harrington. Hes got potential, but with Dumoulin and Pouliot, I don't feel like waiting for him.
- Guile

That's fine, and it's not a BAD return, but I think NJ will get a better offer.

What if the pick is conditional on, say, the Penguins making the Stanley Cup Finals?
- BulliesPhan87

Then it would depend on what the pick given up is if we don't make it... a 4th to 3rd if coming up short (and how short), a 1st if we make it. I'd consider that... but the 1st would have to be for 2016 though.

FYI everyone, we gave up a first for David Perron. A 26 year old winger with another deal left on his contract. A good 26 year old winger that has played on sh*t teams. If a GM gives a first for a 42 year old rental... They are out of their minds.
- znagle

That was a damn good trade to a team that desperately needs draft picks where Perron was not part of their future. Despite the age, if Douglass Murray can cost you 2 2nd rounders, I think a team desperate to win a Cup could give a 1st for one of the best puck possession player of all time.

Then it would depend on what the pick given up is if we don't make it... a 4th to 3rd if coming up short (and how short), a 1st if we make it. I'd consider that... but the 1st would have to be for 2016 though.
- Guile

We need our draft picks next year. We are bare bones this year. No rentals for future home grown talent that is desperately needed. Hopefully we can find a big bodied winger or someone who is built like a log instead of a toothpick.

I think most teams have contacted the Devils about Jagr, but that doesn't mean there have been serious talks. Hell, I'm sure the Flyers have called about him, but aren't willing to deal any quality assets for him.
- jmatchett383

U guys buying or selling? Whats the tenor there??

FYI everyone, we gave up a first for David Perron. A 26 year old winger with another deal left on his contract. A good 26 year old winger that has played on sh*t teams. If a GM gives a first for a 42 year old rental... They are out of their minds.
- znagle

1st rounder is a gross over payment unless that is all they get, no prospect. I would consider just a 1st, remember Angelo Espositoand Joe Morrow??

What if the pick is conditional on, say, the Penguins making the Stanley Cup Finals?
- BulliesPhan87

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see him making that kind of an impact. We already tried the aging superstar for a first and it blew up in their faces. Plus, the Pens don't have their first anyway.

I agree. Just commenting on the trade proposal (san cap space).
- jmatchett383

It's all good.

U guys buying or selling? Whats the tenor there??
- 87_71_11_29

I'm thinking they're looking to sell some of their D depending on offers.

High end D prospect and a pick gets Jagr in the Burgh again, he is the BEST option for this team from every aspect of the game. Mostly on the PP
- nbartley9

If acquiring Jagr means Horny is off the #1 PP unit, count me out. Dirty goals win in the playoffs kids, not 87, 71, 68, 39, and 58 passing the puck around the perimeter.

Now, if you're telling me he is willing to head up the #2 unit (which I doubt highly btw), I'm in.