Pens probably have to move Kunitz in a separate deal to make space for Jagr

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- gdsmack267

If the Pens move Kunitz, can it be for someone under 40? Preferably under 30.

First off Sutter would be murdered, pow instant cap space.


Pouliot or Dumo and a 2nd
- nbartley9

I think that Pouliot and a 2nd gets it done. But again, the cap space is an issue.

Yeah I know, but a 26 year old center and a blue chip D prospect (Dumoulin) should be able to fetch a 40+ year old rental and a first.. Only thing is with how deep this draft is we may need to add on a mid round pick
- znagle

First off what are you smoking? I want to say first off all we are bad partners to begin with, now back to your crazy offer. Larsson, severson, Gelinas, merril, santini, jacobs. Please why would we want another young defense man? Two why would a rebuilding team want a travis Zajac clone and a second around the 60 range and a late round pick for our best player, a top 5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003? The player picked fifth over all in this draft could very well be a ppg player so why would we give our best trade chip away plus the only piece we have that is valuable enough to turn our franchise around for a steamy pile of poo ?

Pens probably have to move Kunitz in a separate deal to make space for Jagr

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Bennett-Sutter-Downie
Spaling-Lapierre-Adams/Arcobello
- gdsmack267

I still don't want to see Kunitz purged from the roster. Maybe he's lost a step, but I think that's a sideways move. Like some others, I'm not entirely convinced Jagr is the best fit for this team.

NJ is not a playoff team. They'll want the best package of picks and prospects they can get if they're going to move Jagr, and some teams will likely give them a package better than Brandon Sutter, who fits neither of those categories.
- jmatchett383

I'm actually well aware of what a long shot this is, I'm just having fun. I would like a Sutter for bergenheim swap to happen and then the acquisition of Winnik. That is my dream team right now.

First off what are you smoking? I want to say first off all we are bad partners to begin with, now back to your crazy offer. Larsson, severson, Gelinas, merril, santini, jacobs. Please why would we want another young defense man? Two why would a rebuilding team want a travis Zajac clone and a second around the 60 range and a late round pick for our best player, a top 5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003? The player picked fifth over all in this draft could very well be a ppg player so why would we give our best trade chip away plus the only piece we have that is valuable enough to turn our franchise around for a steamy pile of poo ?
- blizzzard

Yeah, I don't know how Sutter and a mid-tier defense prospect (and MAYBE a mid-round pick) gets a top-5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003, plus the top playoff rental on the market. That's just nuts.

First off what are you smoking? I want to say first off all we are bad partners to begin with, now back to your crazy offer. Larsson, severson, Gelinas, merril, santini, jacobs. Please why would we want another young defense man? Two why would a rebuilding team want a travis Zajac clone and a second around the 60 range and a late round pick for our best player, a top 5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003? The player picked fifth over all in this draft could very well be a ppg player so why would we give our best trade chip away plus the only piece we have that is valuable enough to turn our franchise around for a steamy pile of poo ?
- blizzzard

First off the Pens fans have been told their D prospects are top notch. Pouliott alone is the next Bobby Orr, Harrington the next Ulfy....It doesn't matter how poor they have performed in their limited NHL experience so far. They have amazing AHL highlights that prove other wise. A realistic trade proposal would be Pouliott for E Kane and Peg east 75% of his cap. Thats just to get JR on the phone.

I think if Brandon sutter and a second a late pick could of got you a top five pick in almost any draft you would have done it already.

First off the Pens fans have been told their D prospects are top notch. Pouliott alone is the next Bobby Orr, Harrington the next Ulfy....It doesn't matter how poor they have performed in their limited NHL experience so far. They have amazing AHL highlights that prove other wise. A realistic trade proposal would be Pouliott for E Kane and Peg east 75% of his cap. Thats just to get JR on the phone.
- sammy87

Maybe Dumolin and a 3rd for Stamkos?

If Spaling can play 3c.. I would consider Sutter and our second (or prospect) for Jagr and their first. It would be interesting to see how Jags and Geno would mesh.. Either it would be a great pair, or a total disaster and I could see it either way.
- znagle

Jagr is a pending ufa that is 42 years old. Giving up that much for a guy that is more likely to bolt in 2.5 months is ridiculous IMO. Sutter and a second? We don't have a first and a third. Essentially, we would be trading out of a very deep draft, which would be a mistake. Our deficiencies as far as forward in the system suck absent two names.

The interest by many in obtaining Jagr is mind boggling.

I think if Brandon sutter and a second a late pick could of got you a top five pick in almost any draft you would have done it already.
- blizzzard

yeah pretty much.

Yeah, I don't know how Sutter and a mid-tier defense prospect (and MAYBE a mid-round pick) gets a top-5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003, plus the top playoff rental on the market. That's just nuts.
- jmatchett383

I think Bennett is a stretch but at least that makes sense from njs stand point. If all the pens have to offer is d prospects a third liner and a second then we are bad trading partners in the first place. Everyone and their grandma should know tee dvils only draft defense and when they do take forwards its fourth round or later ( recently 29th. And 30th both safe two way third line potential picks ). We need picks, forward prospects or a game changer like hall.

I still don't want to see Kunitz purged from the roster. Maybe he's lost a step, but I think that's a sideways move. Like some others, I'm not entirely convinced Jagr is the best fit for this team.
- madmike71

Jagr isn't a best fit for this team. The infatuation with him boggles my mind. Kunitz is a 20-25 goal scorer, a forward that actually has chemistry with Sid (note to many ... we have had a rough time finding forwards to go with him absent Perron). So, people want to purge someone off the roster that you know what you get, for a 42 year old pending free agent?

I think that Pouliot and a 2nd gets it done. But again, the cap space is an issue.
- jmatchett383

I think the Pens need to keep Pouliot no matter what. He showed the first night he came up he belongs, and with some seasoning, could end up being a great D man.

Jagr isn't a best fit for this team. The infatuation with him boggles my mind. Kunitz is a 20-25 goal scorer, a forward that actually has chemistry with Sid (note to many ... we have had a rough time finding forwards to go with him absent Perron). So, people want to purge someone off the roster that you know what you get, for a 42 year old pending free agent?
- Oneonta Penguin

I think the Pens are better served at present if they leave Perron and Hornqvist with Crosby. Despite Kunitz' chemistry in the past, he seems to play best with them...but that's just me.

Jagr isn't a best fit for this team. The infatuation with him boggles my mind. Kunitz is a 20-25 goal scorer, a forward that actually has chemistry with Sid (note to many ... we have had a rough time finding forwards to go with him absent Perron). So, people want to purge someone off the roster that you know what you get, for a 42 year old pending free agent?
- Oneonta Penguin

Kunitz is better with Malkin overall for this team now, because Horny did not work well with Malkin, and Perron is MAGIC with Sid.

Not an insult to Kunitz, just where he needs to be now.

First off what are you smoking? I want to say first off all we are bad partners to begin with, now back to your crazy offer. Larsson, severson, Gelinas, merril, santini, jacobs. Please why would we want another young defense man? Two why would a rebuilding team want a travis Zajac clone and a second around the 60 range and a late round pick for our best player, a top 5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003? The player picked fifth over all in this draft could very well be a ppg player so why would we give our best trade chip away plus the only piece we have that is valuable enough to turn our franchise around for a steamy pile of poo ?
- blizzzard

Because I said so First off I don't even want Jagr, I would go for Winnik 10/10 before Jags. We don't need another top 6 forward. Kunitz hasn't "lost a step" he is still producing 3/4 ppg playing with every center on the team.

I think if Brandon sutter and a second a late pick could of got you a top five pick in almost any draft you would have done it already.
- blizzzard

I never hated on Goc, wish he was more aggressive, but if you compare the cap hits, Goc was more attractive to STL. Pens are essentially paying 3mil for the same thing Goc was. I wish Goc stayed and sutter left TBH.

I think the Pens need to keep Pouliot no matter what. He showed the first night he came up he belongs, and with some seasoning, could end up being a great D man.
- skridscousin

He's not going anywhere. It's foolish to put his name out there.

I think Bennett is a stretch but at least that makes sense from njs stand point. If all the pens have to offer is d prospects a third liner and a second then we are bad trading partners in the first place. Everyone and their grandma should know tee dvils only draft defense and when they do take forwards its fourth round or later ( recently 29th. And 30th both safe two way third line potential picks ). We need picks, forward prospects or a game changer like hall.
- blizzzard

For a 42 year old rental? You aren't trading anything other than that.

I think you guys trade him for a 1st and a mid tier prospect (something we can't do)

I think the Pens need to keep Pouliot no matter what. He showed the first night he came up he belongs, and with some seasoning, could end up being a great D man.
- skridscousin

I agree. Just commenting on the trade proposal (san cap space).

For a 42 year old rental? You aren't trading anything other than that.

I think you guys trade him for a 1st and a mid tier prospect (something we can't do)
- usethe1-2-2

That's really the thing. They'll get an offer that suits their needs that the Pens can't realistically match. It's not that the Pens can't make an offer, it's that other teams will likely make a better offer.

I think the Pens are better served at present if they leave Perron and Hornqvist with Crosby. Despite Kunitz' chemistry in the past, he seems to play best with them...but that's just me.
- jmatchett383

It's certainly not just you. It's no coincidence that Sid's best shift in that humiliating game against the caps happened after MJ moved Hornqvist up.

Jagr is a pending ufa that is 42 years old. Giving up that much for a guy that is more likely to bolt in 2.5 months is ridiculous IMO. Sutter and a second? We don't have a first and a third. Essentially, we would be trading out of a very deep draft, which would be a mistake. Our deficiencies as far as forward in the system suck absent two names.

The interest by many in obtaining Jagr is mind boggling.
- Oneonta Penguin

That's why I said their first. I agree that we don't need Jagr, or any other top 6 forward. We need a Winnik type of player to round out the bottom 6. Sutter still has another year, with the possibility of resigning and room to grow (hopefully, I've been a Sutter supporter) I wouldn't do Sutter for Jagr straight up

I want to be clear my main point is that we are a fit for trade partners as far as I see it. Hasn't nothing to do with me thinking our young d guys are better just we already have that and I imagine LOU wants at least a conditional first in this years draft and you guys traded your ( for better value ) so again not a match and that's what it comes down to both franchises seem to be light in the forward prospect department l.