funny i don't get the same reception lol. leaf fans still don't like bleak. I hate it. i don't come on during games and rip them. I just like to discuss the moves they need to make. Just look at how bad top to bottom the franchise is. Cap, roster, prospects....and considering how bad we've been?? jerseys on the ice are well deserved IMO and last year i never would have said such a thing...need to send the message strongly. re-frickin-build for once
- clark_griswold

More talk along those lines on these boards, and less gif trolling would be a considerable improvement over what I've seen this year.

I wonder if the owners have the balls. I think it's starting to show. The fans are slowly turning and it will show. The corporations will begin to back out because their clients will already know the Leafs are a joke.
- Aaron_85

that's why I'm excited. ppl think I'm angry but I'm thrilled. I barely watched this year for the first time ever..when carlyle got canned i really got back into it for the change. This year seemed like a write off from day 1. saw no intrigue in this team. all this fan rage was never apparent. Think about it..ppl were throwing jerseys early and the team was doing well. PPl know this team's time is up. And i figure if i love the leafs like i do and i could walk away, any one can. I fully believe we finally see a proper, LONG and painful teardown/rebuild this time.

UG had humour, charisma, and character...









and lots of emoticons.
- Not_Stee

im not an emoticon guy...just annoying

More talk along those lines on these boards, and less gif trolling would be a considerable improvement over what I've seen this year.
- The Shrike

it's hard not to laugh at this franchise though.

that's why I'm excited. ppl think I'm angry but I'm thrilled. I barely watched this year for the first time ever..when carlyle got canned i really got back into it for the change. This year seemed like a write off from day 1. saw no intrigue in this team. all this fan rage was never apparent. Think about it..ppl were throwing jerseys early and the team was doing well. PPl know this team's time is up. And i figure if i love the leafs like i do and i could walk away, any one can. I fully believe we finally see a proper, LONG and painful teardown/rebuild this time.
- clark_griswold

I don't know about long. They have a couple quality young prospects in Rielly and Nylander. A solid center pick up this draft would greatly improve the rebuild.

i'm 100% for a full rebuild. Everyone. But nothing will happen as long as no nuts is there. Not a single deal.

trade them all, so we lose every game.

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 12m12 minutes ago
To finish behind Buffalo's current pace, the Leafs can only get four points in their final 32 games. Which seems unlikely.

I don't know about long. They have a couple quality young prospects in Rielly and Nylander. A solid center pick up this draft would greatly improve the rebuild.
- Aaron_85

it's a start. But thats' 3 players. It takes a lot considering the rest of our prospects are mediocre. Hate to say it but look at edmonton. laugh all you want but we'll be in tougher. when rebuilding you look to top notch prospects/young players. If the rebuild takes long, and i think it does, we'll be in hurt mode for a while. Nylander is a winger, i know they are trying him at centre though. We need a lot of building blocks.

trade them all, so we lose every game.

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 12m12 minutes ago
To finish behind Buffalo's current pace, the Leafs can only get four points in their final 32 games. Which seems unlikely.
- DougGilmour_93

ya i can't see anything better than 5th overall. if we finish with the 6th pick i'll never hear the end of it because i missed by a whole spot in the standings.

ya i can't see anything better than 5th overall.
- clark_griswold

bench them all or play like garret sparks

ya i can't see anything better than 5th overall. if we finish with the 6th pick i'll never hear the end of it because i missed by a whole spot in the standings.
- clark_griswold

honestly if management had a clue, they would be trying their best to get Mcdavid and try to lose every game, trade everyone away and try to max the value on some players

it's a start. But thats' 3 players. It takes a lot considering the rest of our prospects are mediocre. Hate to say it but look at edmonton. laugh all you want but we'll be in tougher. when rebuilding you look to top notch prospects/young players. If the rebuild takes long, and i think it does, we'll be in hurt mode for a while. Nylander is a winger, i know they are trying him at centre though. We need a lot of building blocks.
- clark_griswold

One thing Edmonton never had was a potential top flight goalie. Bernier or Reims are better than Dubnyk.

ya i can't see anything better than 5th overall. if we finish with the 6th pick i'll never hear the end of it because i missed by a whole spot in the standings.
- clark_griswold

If we get the 5th pick, and McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, and Strome go 1-4, who do we pick:

Marner
Crouse
Zacha
Werenski

bench them all or play like garret sparks
- DougGilmour_93

3-16 in the last 19...JESUS

3-16 in the last 19...JESUS
- clark_griswold

Can we just acquire a bunch of draft picks

One thing Edmonton never had was a potential top flight goalie. Bernier or Reims are better than Dubnyk.
- Aaron_85

At the draft: Phaneuf and Reimer for Nurse and Edmonton's 2nd rounder in 2015.

One thing Edmonton never had was a potential top flight goalie. Bernier or Reims are better than Dubnyk.
- Aaron_85

that's fine. that helped them. You mentioned rielly and nylander (i like his potential but wildcard). we're in cap hell. Not many good tradeable assets.

Oil have:

RNH, Drasiatal, Hall, Eberle, YAk, probably eichel or McDavid.

Nurse.

no cap hell. All their guys are under 23.

Who's ahead? Bernier to Oil would be a great trade.

Point is the franchise guys are only every few years. Last one was tavares (probably mackinnon). Edmonton was just bad during the wrong years, but if they get a mcdavid/eichel, and make some deals for positions..wow they look good.

Pit was lucky to be bad in years where Sid/malkin were there. The edmonton years its not like there were better players by a mile that they didn't pick. Toronto will have to be bad for years, pick up a few generational players and manage well for once to get out of this IMO. Like 5 painful years min.

At the draft: Phaneuf and Reimer for Nurse and Edmonton's 2nd rounder in 2015.
- The Shrike

Phaneuf for O'Rielly

Kessel and Bozak for Dal Colle, Reinhart, Strome

Franson for a 1st rounder

Gardiner+3rd rounder for 1st Rounder (dont know if that works just a guess)

At the draft: Phaneuf and Reimer for Nurse and Edmonton's 2nd rounder in 2015.
- The Shrike

NO! If you were Edm, would you accept that.

NO! If you were Edm, would you accept that.
- Champ

Not really, Nurse looks promising and Phaneuf would say no to go there

Phaneuf for O'Rielly

Kessel and Bozak for Dal Colle, Reinhart, Strome

Franson for a 1st rounder

Gardiner+3rd rounder for 1st Rounder (dont know if that works just a guess)
- DougGilmour_93

i'd love these, but i don't see them happening at all. Just me.

that's fine. that helped them. You mentioned rielly and nylander (i like his potential but wildcard). we're in cap hell. Not many good tradeable assets.

Oil have:

RNH, Drasiatal, Hall, Eberle, YAk, probably eichel or McDavid.

Nurse.

no cap hell. All their guys are under 23.

Who's ahead? Bernier to Oil would be a great trade.

Point is the franchise guys are only every few years. Last one was tavares (probably mackinnon). Edmonton was just bad during the wrong years, but if they get a mcdavid/eichel, and make some deals for positions..wow they look good.

Pit was lucky to be bad in years where Sid/malkin were there. The edmonton years its not like there were better players by a mile that they didn't pick. Toronto will have to be bad for years, pick up a few generational players and manage well for once to get out of this IMO. Like 5 painful years min.
- clark_griswold

Yeah I figure 3 - 5 to look coherent.

I don't consider Toews or Kane generational talent. Neither Getzlaf or Perry. I think the Leafs just need a game plan of draft and develop and stick to the fricking plan! No short cuts. No playing guys the year after they are drafted just because they look good in 6 games.

I just have a pet peeve about purposely tanking and believing a top pick is a guarantee to a better future. McDavid would be awesome but it's unlikely to happen. Might as well just draft a lot of guys instead and hope for the best.

Phaneuf for O'Rielly...
- DougGilmour_93

One problem for a future problem I think. No thanks.

Not really, Nurse looks promising and Phaneuf would say no to go there
- DougGilmour_93

Nurse will be in the NHL in 2 years max.

Phaneuf for O'Rielly

Kessel and Bozak for Dal Colle, Reinhart, Strome

Franson for a 1st rounder

Gardiner+3rd rounder for 1st Rounder (dont know if that works just a guess)
- DougGilmour_93

i could only wish we could get a deal like that. that would be huge to turn the rebuild around quickly but i think its unlikely