must bring own joystick and doritos by the case....and wipe ass with toronto newspapers
- jimi james

yes with the sun

He's 24. not even 24 1/2 yet. It's like you've already skipped ahead to the 2015/16 season lol.
- mykokes

He will do that

Point is kadri is handled with kid gloves by most posters on here it seems. Im beung fair - he has a great shot to earn it now. And if the team is deflated, an even bigger test of character for him. After this season theres no more potential, he is what he is. I dont think saying "earn it" to a 25 year old is impatient. Hes been getting top 6 minutes for 3 years now.
- clark_griswold

Kid gloves? Since the day he was drafted he was called a bust, dumped, traded, given up on, and the list goes on. Patience and Kadri are not and have never been synonymous with each other on these boards.

He'll be 25 at the start of next year. And does that make a huge difference? His ppg has been declining steadilly for 3 years. For a 1 dimensional player thats troubling.
- clark_griswold

You claim to be willing to be patient for a long term rebuild, but when you have a player developing for you, you refuse to show him any patience? Technically he's only been a full-time NHLer for 2 1/2 years, 44 points in 48 gp.....a 50 point season, and now this year where he's pretty much on the same pace as last year, despite not getting 1st line PP time. Great, they give him the point.....he must have a 100 mph shot right? That's called stupid coaching.

He'll be 25 at the start of next year. And does that make a huge difference? His ppg has been declining steadilly for 3 years. For a 1 dimensional player thats troubling.
- clark_griswold

Steadily declining? He's had 2 full seasons in the NHL if you count the lockout shortened season. And this season isn't even done. But I guess you can see the future.

He will do that
- JVR_42_PK81

Hows my buddy doing??!! Hwy u should see some of the posts i revisited from the summer. You and i were debating certain things. You called me several names, because you were certain you were right. Either way...doesnt matter who was right or wrong, even if it was 100% of the time. What matters is we all have fun. I know you do, you throw one of these into every post .

hows things been bro?

Steadily declining? He's had 2 full seasons in the NHL if you count the lockout shortened season. And this season isn't even done. But I guess you can see the future.
- JVR_42_PK81

His numbers over 3 years starting with the short one to now have been declining. Yup. Check it. FACt

I cant see the future...i mean i was way off with my preseason prediction.

The problem with the Leafs could be the draught during the draft?
- Colin Dambrauskas

to much?
Not enough
Flat
someone else drank it on them
not the kind they like
all of them?

To me they're only half-assing Kadri's audition on the first line. Until I see Kadri with JVR/Kessel nothing has changed...especially when I still see Bozak with those two on the PP.

it's not a 2-3 year thing. usually it's 5-7
- clark_griswold

Nobody plans a 5-7 year rebuild. People generally want to keep heir jobs.

You claim to be willing to be patient for a long term rebuild, but when you have a player developing for you, you refuse to show him any patience? Technically he's only been a full-time NHLer for 2 1/2 years, 44 points in 48 gp.....a 50 point season, and now this year where he's pretty much on the same pace as last year, despite not getting 1st line PP time. Great, they give him the point.....he must have a 100 mph shot right? That's called stupid coaching.
- mykokes

Agree to disagree. Numbers declining. I posted a few minutes ago for proof. But hey dont shoot the messanger.

His numbers over 3 years starting with the short one to now have been declining. Yup. Check it. FACt

I cant see the future...i mean i was way off with my preseason prediction.
- clark_griswold

You're weighting the shortened season wayyyy too much.

He's currently on pace to have what... like 3 points less than last year? The horror!!

I thought Stamkos was coming home? I'm certain that I read on a Leafs thread that he was going to sign in Toronto as a FA....what happened?

Nobody plans a 5-7 year rebuild. People generally want to keep heir jobs.
- Canada Cup

Realistically it takes that long. im prepared for it is my point. I hope its 1 year.

You're weighting the shortened season wayyyy too much.

He's currently on pace to have what... like 3 points less than last year? The horror!!
- markmark

The short season is his saving grace. I dont like him, you guys do. Its only opinion. Its up to the GM

His numbers over 3 years starting with the short one to now have been declining. Yup. Check it. FACt

I cant see the future...i mean i was way off with my preseason prediction.
- clark_griswold

Sure there was a drop off from the lockout season to the next but he is again on pace for around 50 points and 20 goals. And since you like to throw away the lockout shortened season on every argument you make. Why do you count it now? Because it helps your argument. Yup

I thought Stamkos was coming home? I'm certain that I read on a Leafs thread that he was going to sign in Toronto as a FA....what happened?
- chompsey

It's not 2016 yet....I don't think he's coming but it's a stupid question. It's like asking why didn't the oilers draft McDavid? What went wrong?

Sure there was a drop off from the lockout season to the next but he is again on pace for around 50 points and 20 goals. And since you like to throw away the lockout shortened season on every argument you make. Why do you count it now? Because it helps your argument. Yup
- JVR_42_PK81

take out the shortened season...and his numbers are very average.

but i don't argue with you...it's really not fair. let's move on.

The short season is his saving grace. I dont like him, you guys do. Its only opinion. Its up to the GM
- clark_griswold

Saving grace from WHAT? The guy plays most of his minutes with the likes of Winnik and Santorelli. You don't see how naturally his points won't go through the roof with those wingers? Also he has become more defensively responsible. (How much is debatable)

I don't see how jettisoning the only talented (not on a break away) center the Leafs have helps now OR in the future?

Patience amigo.

Realistically it takes that long. im prepared for it is my point. I hope its 1 year.
- clark_griswold

That's great but you're not running a team. Nobody who is would ever plan a 7 year rebuild.

His numbers over 3 years starting with the short one to now have been declining. Yup. Check it. FACt

I cant see the future...i mean i was way off with my preseason prediction.
- clark_griswold

Ahhhh, I wouldn't say he's declining, exactly.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...playercharts.php?pid=1289

I realize analytics aren't exactly black magic or anything, but if you look at his production, ignoring the lockout year half-season as an outlier, his points/60 has been increasing every year (although really, it's pretty much at the same level). Even his iCorsi/Corsi For%/iFenwick/Fenwick For % has been better than before. Although you could attribute that to the team starting to pull away from Carlyle's anti-possession systems. His Offensive-Zone-Start% is even a little lower than it was before, too, so he's being forced to take on a slightly more defensive role and putting up approximately the same points per 60mins of ice.

It would be nice to try and give him one last bridge deal for a year if he can prove himself and earn some big money. Chances are though, he'll get $5M for 4-5 years. Given how the cap has been moving, that's actually the going rate for upper-level 2C's, so I'd take it. He's the closest thing to a 1C that we've had since Sundin.


...God, I miss Sundin

That's great but you're not running a team. Nobody who is would ever plan a 7 year rebuild.
- Canada Cup

If they get rid of the albatross contracts somehow, then it won't take 7 years, but if they are unable to do so we are looking minimum 5...

That's great but you're not running a team. Nobody who is would ever plan a 7 year rebuild.
- Canada Cup

you hope for the best. Its not easy is what im saying. Usually they plan for 5 yrs and its rarely done by then.

Sure there was a drop off from the lockout season to the next but he is again on pace for around 50 points and 20 goals. And since you like to throw away the lockout shortened season on every argument you make. Why do you count it now? Because it helps your argument. Yup
- JVR_42_PK81

to be fair the Kadri boners ALWAYS point to the shortened season.

at least in here.

take out the shortened season...and his numbers are very average.

but i don't argue with you...it's really not fair. let's move on.
- clark_griswold

Aww man, I was late to the party .