ya, now your going off topic im off to eat
- PinkSock

"Who cares about the OHL?"

"I care about the OHL because..."

"You're off topic."



Enjoy your lunch.

Yeah.. Even over Sid, Tavares, Stammer...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Given his age and the whole entry level/RFA control over him - yeah.

Can I call you guys Uncle JJ and Uncy Bix?
- Garnie

I have been called worse..

Yeah.. Even over Sid, Tavares, Stammer...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Yep. If I was starting a team from scratch. Assuming it would take me at least 5 years to pick the other pieces up

There are only 2 sections Winnik is ahead (as expected corsi against....)
- burn

Burn, I love you man, but its not about how many columns you win.

As Tony is pointing out the "usage adjusted corsi %" measures/illustrates the impact the player has on possession. IE. - the balance between offense and defense.

When measured as a whole Winnik > Kessel at 5v5. And it's b/c (as we all know) when Kessel's on the ice the Leafs spend a lot of time in their own end giving up corsi's.

I'm not sure how you can say that he's only decent, seems the numbers say otherwise or how you can say he never will be.
- burn

corsi ain't the be all end all..but see you are already sucking me in...

i'll leave it for the others.

I have been called worse..
- bixll

You got by 3 years...it's either Uncy or Gramps

Also tells us that

Bozak - 3rd/4th liner
Kadri - 2nd liner
Holland 3rd/4th liner
Smith - so bad he gets ignored.
- The Law

Sounds about right.....


IMO holland is better than that data shows becuase he young and just getting his chance. He's playing 3rd line this year and being used more regularly than the last.

Burn, I love you man, but its not about how many columns you win.

As Tony is pointing out the "usage adjusted corsi %" measures/illustrates the impact the player has on possession. IE. - the balance between offense and defense.

When measured as a whole Winnik > Kessel at 5v5. And it's b/c (as we all know) when Kessel's on the ice the Leafs spend a lot of time in their own end giving up corsi's.
- The Law

Winnik hangs on to the puck and doesn't just dump it...

You got by 3 years...it's either Uncy or Gramps
- Garnie

I take the Uncle, I am not a grand father yet. Hopefully down the road a few years.

corsi ain't the be all end all..but see you are already sucking me in...

i'll leave it for the others.
- clark_griswold

Who said anything about corsi?

Yep. If I was starting a team from scratch. Assuming it would take me at least 5 years to pick the other pieces up
- walshyleafsfan

Yeah, that's how I see it too.

It's like Corsby being drafted all over agian, but this time we have more insight on his value because of what Crosby has done. You obviously need to surround him with veteran leadership.. But I think he's too good not to pick first..

Sounds about right.....


IMO holland is better than that data shows becuase he young and just getting his chance. He's playing 3rd line this year and being used more regularly than the last.
- burn

Holland started the 1st shift off last night with a good hit, that's how the he needs to play...but usually Bozak/Holland/Smith rarely throw the body or not enough IMO.

That there might be the issue with Corsi
- walshyleafsfan

It is an issue for sure. Just like analytics telling us that Gardiner is the Leafs best defensive defenceman is an issue.

Corsi/Fenwick - very important stuff but not perfect. Gotta use more measurables to get the full picture.

Leafs fans hate me. I'm alright with that.
- Iggysbff

You need to find a more productive hobby.

Has Kadri's alleged dive on the Jagr penalty been discussed yet? Can't find a replay, but it was a call for holding about 3mins into the 3rd. Jagr got his stick blade on Kadri's knee and then Kadri went down like he had been shot. Maybe it was only a minor embellishment (who knows if it actually knocked him off balance), but weaker calls have been made this year. Not having seen a replay since last night, I can't be sure.

Thoughts (other than for me to go frank myself)?
- KarlKarlsson

Take a flying leap?

I take the Uncle, I am not a grand father yet. Hopefully down the road a few years.
- bixll

me either 6-8 yr old boys...hopefully not for another 15-20 years.

LA is taking around 8M in total cap hit there, and giving away less than 2M...i'll say this wouldnt work
- Colin Dambrauskas

Zykov is a beaut, I'm sure LA could add cap via expiring contracts? Muzzin can fit into the top four, give Rielly and Polak/Franson top pairing mins and pray we suck enough to get into the McEichHaniClouse sweepstakes

me either 6-8 yr old boys...hopefully not for another 15-20 years.
- Garnie

Girls, 21 and 24... No pics...

It is an issue for sure. Just like analytics telling us that Gardiner is the Leafs best defensive defenceman is an issue.

Corsi/Fenwick - very important stuff but not perfect. Gotta use more measurables to get the full picture.
- The Law

Once they get scientific possession data (chip in puck/sticks) this proxy poop will be useless.

Winnik hangs on to the puck and doesn't just dump it...
- Garnie

Winnik has been one of the best in the league for years at suppressing the other teams possession. He's more valuable than most realize. I'd still dump his ass for a 2nd rounder.

I really like this Phaneuf to FLA for Barkov+Kulikov or straight up for Ekblad idea.
- 1979AD

I'd like a pony.

Didnt miss Dion at all last night.

Good sign.

@TheFourthPeriod: NHL's jersey deal expires at end of season. Rbk will push to retain rights & Nike will make pitch, but expect Under Armour to step up (1/2)


Under armour jerseys?

Once they get scientific possession data (chip in puck/sticks) this proxy poop will be useless.
- 1979AD

not at all. shot attempts will always be a better measurable than active possession. for the most part they should go hand in hand: high Corsi = high possession. but what about a team with solid active possession numbers but consistently out-Corsi'd. maybe they have the puck a lot but they're not doing much with it.