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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 28 @ 8:30 PM ET
Hard to believe JVR has only 12 more points than Schenn at this point.
- feelingkettle


It's weird up there, though -- Bozak's a decent player, but he probably shouldn't be playing with first-line talent, and Nazem Kadri shows flashes but he's inconsistent, too

Truthfully, those boys need to ante up for a Top 6 center -- yeah, it's costly, but you just don't know what you have up there until you start slotting centers where they need to be
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jan 28 @ 8:32 PM ET
It's weird up there, though -- Bozak's a decent player, but he probably shouldn't be playing with first-line talent, and Nazem Kadri shows flashes but he's inconsistent, too

Truthfully, those boys need to ante up for a Top 6 center -- yeah, it's costly, but you just don't know what you have up there until you start slotting centers where they need to be

- AllInForFlyers

Also, that first line in Toronto is the worst top line in the league defensively. There was an article with fancy stats and it wasn't even close.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 28 @ 8:32 PM ET
loud noises. i have no interest in fancy stats personally. i don't object to them being used in order to evaluate players or teams in an attempt to gain and edge and win. whatever they need to do. i just like to watch.
- hammarby31

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 28 @ 8:36 PM ET
Also, that first line in Toronto is the worst top line in the league defensively. There was an article with fancy stats and it wasn't even close.
- feelingkettle


They are brutal; just about can't play JVR and Kessel together with Kadri.

Not much better with Bozak but he usually wins a decent amount of draws, which mitigates some of the disaster

I always kinda wondered what Martin Hanzal would look like between them
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 28 @ 8:39 PM ET
Also, that first line in Toronto is the worst top line in the league defensively. There was an article with fancy stats and it wasn't even close.
- feelingkettle

Trade em Coots for oh forget it, its the Leafs I don't want any of their brown water trash.
OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jan 28 @ 8:54 PM ET
Thanks Bill for the updates. I think Kimmo should retire. He is, and was a great player, but his health is more important. However, I am sure the Flyers are in a rush to get him back into the line up....as usual...rush, rush, rush. Blood thinners, and clots are no joke. Cuts bleed quickly, and take a long time to heal. Why take the chance, or risk?
Salute to JJ, and Gags. I wish both families well.
Bill, do you think that Alt will ever make the jump to the NHL? It seems like he has been in development for a long time. The Canes gave up on him, should the Flyers? He has size, and strength, but what else does he bring to the table? In addition, do you think that injuries have hampered his development?
Peace.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:03 PM ET
They are brutal; just about can't play JVR and Kessel together with Kadri.

Not much better with Bozak but he usually wins a decent amount of draws, which mitigates some of the disaster

I always kinda wondered what Martin Hanzal would look like between them

- AllInForFlyers


Tall.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:05 PM ET
Thanks Bill for the updates. I think Kimmo should retire. He is, and was a great player, but his health is more important. However, I am sure the Flyers are in a rush to get him back into the line up....as usual...rush, rush, rush. Blood thinners, and clots are no joke. Cuts bleed quickly, and take a long time to heal. Why take the chance, or risk?
Salute to JJ, and Gags. I wish both families well.
Bill, do you think that Alt will ever make the jump to the NHL? It seems like he has been in development for a long time. The Canes gave up on him, should the Flyers? He has size, and strength, but what else does he bring to the table? In addition, do you think that injuries have hampered his development?
Peace.

- OrangeAndBlack1


January is almost over, and Timonen has not been in the Flyers lineup all season. We've been waiting for an official update on what's going to happen, since he went back to the Doctor's in the last week or so. Obviously the Flyers are not rushing anything with Timonen.
Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Jan 28 @ 9:06 PM ET
Would you trade Brayden Schenn for JVR?
- MJL


Absolutely.
MatveiDmitrii
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 01.16.2015

Jan 28 @ 9:08 PM ET
Honestly I can't believe people are okay with moving Giroux or Voracek.

1 legit superstar in his early prime.
Another player on the cusp of being a superstar leading the league in point entering his prime.

- opeth_pa


I don't think anyone on here wants to trade those two , but wouldn't you like to know what each is worth? I would imagine a lot of GM'S do some sort of due diligence and see not only what their own players could fetch, but the values of lots of players in the league.
legionphilly88
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.20.2012

Jan 28 @ 9:17 PM ET
Get Braydon Schenn Off the 1st line!!.. Get him off power play too..hes gotten the Hartnell Pass in the slot 100 times this year and he's converted maybe 1..is the front office and coach blind?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:20 PM ET
Get Braydon Schenn Off the 1st line!!.. Get him off power play too..hes gotten the Hartnell Pass in the slot 100 times this year and he's converted maybe 1..is the front office and coach blind?
- legionphilly88


I agree, he's not been scoring goals on the PP, but he does some other important things on the PP. He's good as getting loose pucks off of faceoffs, and on puck retrievals, and he's made some nice passes on the PP. The Flyers top PP unit is one of the best in the League, why change it? Who should replace Schenn on the top unit?
aflyerpower8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AL
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jan 28 @ 9:22 PM ET
I agree, he's not been scoring goals on the PP, but he does some other important things on the PP. He's good as getting loose pucks off of faceoffs, and on puck retrievals, and he's made some nice passes on the PP. The Flyers top PP unit is one of the best in the League, why change it? Who should replace Schenn on the top unit?
- MJL

legionphilly88
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.20.2012

Jan 28 @ 9:24 PM ET
I agree, he's not been scoring goals on the PP, but he does some other important things on the PP. He's good as getting loose pucks off of faceoffs, and on puck retrievals, and he's made some nice passes on the PP. The Flyers top PP unit is one of the best in the League, why change it? Who should replace Schenn on the top unit?
- MJL



Rather see Vinny in the slot..one thing he does good still is a quick release..but we don't have a lot of options sadly
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:27 PM ET
Rather see Vinny in the slot..one thing he does good still is a quick release..but we don't have a lot of options sadly
- legionphilly88


If you watch the Flyers 2nd PP unit, notice where Lecavalier is positioned. He is in the same area of the ice that Voracek is in, on the first unit. Lecavalier, his entire career, as a LH shot has heavily favored the right side of the ice. On the Flyers top PP unit, it's funneled through Giroux on the left side of the ice. The Flyers tried Lecavalier in that slot spot, and he wasn't comfortable there, because of his preference for the right side of the ice.
legionphilly88
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.20.2012

Jan 28 @ 9:31 PM ET
If you watch the Flyers 2nd PP unit, notice where Lecavalier is positioned. He is in the same area of the ice that Voracek is in, on the first unit. Lecavalier, his entire career, as a LH shot has heavily favored the right side of the ice. On the Flyers top PP unit, it's funneled through Giroux on the left side of the ice. The Flyers tried Lecavalier in that slot spot, and he wasn't comfortable there, because of his preference for the right side of the ice.
- MJL



I see G on the left, so if he's passing to the slot where Vinny would be its the same opposite side one timer..if he can't adjust to be 15 feet closer to the pass well than he can retire.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:33 PM ET
I see G on the left, so if he's passing to the slot where Vinny would be its the same opposite side one timer..if he can't adjust to be 15 feet closer to the pass well than he can retire.
- legionphilly88


It's not the same, the angle and the look at the net is completely different. As a LH shot on the right side of the ice, he has more net to shoot at. In the slot closer to the left side of the ice, he has less net to shoot at.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:34 PM ET
Get Braydon Schenn Off the 1st line!!.. Get him off power play too..hes gotten the Hartnell Pass in the slot 100 times this year and he's converted maybe 1..is the front office and coach blind?
- legionphilly88

no they just know this team isn't good unlike some other people here
legionphilly88
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.20.2012

Jan 28 @ 9:41 PM ET
It's not the same, the angle and the look at the net is completely different. As a LH shot on the right side of the ice, he has more net to shoot at. In the slot closer to the right side of the ice, he has less net to shoot at.
- MJL



no crap but I'm saying he could adjust..some busche house league player couldn't adjust..he a former #1 pick who can put the puck in the net..can't skate well anymore but can shoot..im sure he'd do better than schenn...its painful to watch him shoot the puck high and wide or in the bread basket every time he gets fed.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:43 PM ET
no crap but I'm saying he could adjust..some busche house league player couldn't adjust..he a former #1 pick who can put the puck in the net..can't skate well anymore but can shoot..im sure he'd do better than schenn...its painful to watch him shoot the puck high and wide or in the bread basket every time he gets fed.
- legionphilly88


They tried it earlier in the season, Lecavalier was not comfortable there. The Flyers PP is one of the best in the League, top 5. Of all the teams problems, the PP is not one of them.
legionphilly88
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.20.2012

Jan 28 @ 9:57 PM ET
They tried it earlier in the season, Lecavalier was not comfortable there. The Flyers PP is one of the best in the League, top 5. Of all the teams problems, the PP is not one of them.
- MJL



Okay mr. comfortable pick someone else i don't care.. trade for someone..try Grossman there for all I care!!!!! ..Schenn has 3 power play goals..10 points..powerplay is 5th in the league and 2 top 5 scorers..hes not 1st PP material..oh yeah wait..he can retrieve pucks..thank the Lord
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 28 @ 10:02 PM ET
Alex Ovechkin with two goals so far tonight and now holds the league lead in goals scored. The guy is the best in the league in terms of scoring not just year but within his entire body of work. You can never doubt him. I think the Caps have the balance to go deep into the playoffs.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 28 @ 10:05 PM ET
Okay mr. comfortable pick someone else i don't care.. trade for someone..try Grossman there for all I care!!!!! ..Schenn has 3 power play goals..10 points..powerplay is 5th in the league and 2 top 5 scorers..hes not 1st PP material..oh yeah wait..he can retrieve pucks..thank the Lord
- legionphilly88

Brayden Schenn is a young developing player. You want him to be in the offensive situations that he's in now. He might not be racking up the points but no need to fix what isn't broken.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 28 @ 10:06 PM ET
Alex Ovechkin with two goals so far tonight and now holds the league lead in goals scored. The guy is the best in the league in terms of scoring not just year but within his entire body of work. You can never doubt him. I think the Caps have the balance to go deep into the playoffs.
- SuperSchennBros

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 28 @ 10:09 PM ET
I agree, he's not been scoring goals on the PP, but he does some other important things on the PP. He's good as getting loose pucks off of faceoffs, and on puck retrievals, and he's made some nice passes on the PP. The Flyers top PP unit is one of the best in the League, why change it? Who should replace Schenn on the top unit?
- MJL


In support of Brayden Schenn, I like him with Voracek and Giroux at even strengthen a lot. Much more then Raffl because of the small plays he's able to make under pressure. He's gritty and can create pace for Voracek and Giroux. He definitely doesn't look out of place.
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