YES,

If they took salary back, but that's a lot of salary, and raises some questions over who you send and why
- John Jaeckel

How many trades involve salary retention? I understand the concept and see it discussed here often. Just wonder if it is realistic. It happened here last year but don't read much on it.

As for Babcock you coach the hand that is dealt....As for the Sharks...No wins there in the playoffs.

As far Sutter the stuff about message growing old is a stale theme as most coaches don't last more than 5 years as they are easier to change than players on huge long term contracts.

2 Cups in 3 years should cause anyone thinking like u to pause....And if you think he drives his core hard don't even think to look at a comparison of ice time to the big guys here....


As far as systems no need to over analyze...Simply put the team that forechecks the best and who has the best bottom 6 forwards wins the Cup more times than not.

Of all the teams in any sport the Kings were set to have an off year considering their past performance of the past 3 seasons.
- Al

I don't disagree with any of those things.

And that is my main sticking point with Q, especially regarding Hossa. But he's won an awful lot of games and has a lot of generational talent to work with. And they play attractive hockey.

And FWIW Dustin Brown is having another dreadful season. Like bad. Basically on par with Mike Richards with way more ice time and PP time. And Richards leads the Kings in take aways which is interesting. Weird situation.

Either way it sucks to be them which is ultimately good for the Hawks.

How many trades involve salary retention? I understand the concept and see it discussed here often. Just wonder if it is realistic. It happened here last year but don't read much on it.
- Cup-Bearer

It happens quite a bit actually. The downside with the Hawks trying to get another team to do this is that I believe there is a rule where a team can only have two retained salaries at any one time. So, for the Hawks, they already have two: Versteeg and Rundblad. For the Hawks to get someone to send them a higher priced player and retain salary one of the two, Versteeg or Rundblad, would HAVE to go back.

The Jets are this years Avalanche, but with better defense...and Frolik
- BlazinMike

Wouldn't Nashville be this years Avs and the Jets just be finally playing more to their ability? The Jets have been stacked but young for a while. It really is not shocking. They have been close for a while.

Nashville signed a bunch of centers on the out hoping any of them would stick, a healthy Rinne, a new coach and a rookie plying crazy good. They had the defense but all those others are coming up aces where maybe you could say a few would work but not to the perfection they have.

How many trades involve salary retention? I understand the concept and see it discussed here often. Just wonder if it is realistic. It happened here last year but don't read much on it.
- Cup-Bearer

I stand corrected. It's three and up to 15% of the cap.

Trades and salary retention
Under the terms of the 2005 collective bargaining agreement, when a team traded for another player, it assumed the full cap hit and remaining salary obligations of the acquired player. That was changed for the 2013 collective bargaining agreement. Teams may retain part of a traded player's salary to ease the cap burden on the acquiring team. Provisions on such retention are as follows:

1. The acquiring team must assume at least 50 percent of the remaining salary and cap charge of the SPC.
2. Such a contract can only be traded twice using provision 1 during the lifetime of the SPC.
3. Retained salary by the trading team cannot be more than 15 percent of the upper salary cap limit.
4. A maximum of 3 such contracts with salary retained in a trade can on a team's books at any one time.
5. This provision is included in Article 11 of Summary of Terms the 2013 CBA MOU

Hopefully the Hawks win tonight. To see the Kings falter to even make the play offs would be sweet.

I stand corrected. It's three and up to 15% of the cap.

Trades and salary retention
Under the terms of the 2005 collective bargaining agreement, when a team traded for another player, it assumed the full cap hit and remaining salary obligations of the acquired player. That was changed for the 2013 collective bargaining agreement. Teams may retain part of a traded player's salary to ease the cap burden on the acquiring team. Provisions on such retention are as follows:

1. The acquiring team must assume at least 50 percent of the remaining salary and cap charge of the SPC.
2. Such a contract can only be traded twice using provision 1 during the lifetime of the SPC.
3. Retained salary by the trading team cannot be more than 15 percent of the upper salary cap limit.
4. A maximum of 3 such contracts with salary retained in a trade can on a team's books at any one time.
5. This provision is included in Article 11 of Summary of Terms the 2013 CBA MOU
- MNHawk

Thanks MN, I just see it often in discussions and as you point out has happened twice

Wouldn't Nashville be this years Avs and the Jets just be finally playing more to their ability? The Jets have been stacked but young for a while. It really is not shocking. They have been close for a while.

Nashville signed a bunch of centers on the out hoping any of them would stick, a healthy Rinne, a new coach and a rookie plying crazy good. They had the defense but all those others are coming up aces where maybe you could say a few would work but not to the perfection they have.
- BluemanGuruu

Meh, I guess I just wasn't very surprised to see Nashville be as good as they have been this season. They weren't too far from the playoffs last season (IIRC) without the new centers, and without Rinne. Last year the Avs seemed like a surprise, and this year the Jets seem like a surprise. I didn't expect the Jets to be where they're at. Guess youre right though, they do have some talent there that has been there.

Darryl had a habit of burning teams out in the worst way. Maybe that finally happened.


Really....What team? The Flames who overachieved when they did well?

The exact opposite has been true in LA....Great coach like Babcock in not putting too much emphases on the regular season.

You might want to check their injuries and other issues that have depleted the Kings this year....To blame a coach for burnout after winning 2 Cups in 3 years doesn't make much sense.
- Al

Why? Its seems OK to blame one that won 2 in 4 seasons.

No argument here, wait, maybe after Suter, but . . .
- John Jaeckel

Keith is better than Suter.

YES,

If they took salary back, but that's a lot of salary, and raises some questions over who you send and why. Also no argument on the other Slovak d-man Sekera.
- John Jaeckel

Mezaros? Please no. He isn't worth anyone off of the roster because even if they retain salary someone has to go.

Wouldn't Nashville be this years Avs and the Jets just be finally playing more to their ability? The Jets have been stacked but young for a while. It really is not shocking. They have been close for a while.

Nashville signed a bunch of centers on the out hoping any of them would stick, a healthy Rinne, a new coach and a rookie plying crazy good. They had the defense but all those others are coming up aces where maybe you could say a few would work but not to the perfection they have.
- BluemanGuruu

Considering Nashville has a very good D corp? Not really.

My prediction for tonights game.

Hawks 5 Kings 1

1st goal by the hawks will be a 2 on 1 against Muzzin produced by a Doughty turn over at the offensive blue line.

2nd and 3rd goals will come on the power play: 1 from stoll hooking the other will be doughty for tripping.

4th goal will be caused by quick playing the puck out of the net.

The kings will then get their meaningless 1st goal of the game from Gaborik which will be a rebound from a low shot by dustin brown.

5th goal from the hawks will be another 2 on 1 produced by superior foot speed.


There you go. you guys don't even need to watch the game.
- MikeOxbyg

Mycox........always a true optimist

I don't disagree with any of those things.

And that is my main sticking point with Q, especially regarding Hossa. But he's won an awful lot of games and has a lot of generational talent to work with. And they play attractive hockey.

And FWIW Dustin Brown is having another dreadful season. Like bad. Basically on par with Mike Richards with way more ice time and PP time. And Richards leads the Kings in take aways which is interesting. Weird situation.

Either way it sucks to be them which is ultimately good for the Hawks.
- fattybeef

You make a great point.......without checking, I'm pretty sure the money is similar per year

Considering Nashville has a very good D corp? Not really.
- Elbows15

If anyone could be compared I would think the Islanders. That is, going from an awful season to leading their division.

As far as Corsi etc, I'm not sure there is a comparable team. The Avs did it last year against everything that advanced stats would say is possible (an elite performance by a goalie helps for the entire year).

If anyone could be compared I would think the Islanders. That is, going from an awful season to leading their division.

As far as Corsi etc, I'm not sure there is a comparable team. The Avs did it last year against everything that advanced stats would say is possible (an elite performance by a goalie helps for the entire year).
- MNHawk

The Avs were in the bottom 5 is a lot of categories last season. The Islanders and Preds have much better numbers.

Keith is better than Suter.
- Elbows15

I think the top four all round defenseman after Phaneuf of course are, Doughty, Weber, Keith and Suter and I'd go with that order too.

The 2013/14 Avs and the 2014/15 Preds shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence(even though i just did it...). The Avs had all the signs of a fluke regular season team and it proved to be true. These Preds are achieving their success the right way, the way that translates in the playoffs.

The 2013/14 Avs and the 2014/15 Preds shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence(even though i just did it...). The Avs had all the signs of a fluke regular season team and it proved to be true. These Preds are achieving their success the right way, the way that translates in the playoffs.
- SimpleJack

I agree. Playing strong defense with an exceptional goalie with a newfound offensive game makes these guys the team I am most concerned with. The only element this team lacks is playoff winning experience.

The 2013/14 Avs and the 2014/15 Preds shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence(even though i just did it...). The Avs had all the signs of a fluke regular season team and it proved to be true. These Preds are achieving their success the right way, the way that translates in the playoffs.
- SimpleJack

They're gonna be a female dog come playoff time for whoever faces them

I don't disagree with any of those things.

And that is my main sticking point with Q, especially regarding Hossa. But he's won an awful lot of games and has a lot of generational talent to work with. And they play attractive hockey.

And FWIW Dustin Brown is having another dreadful season. Like bad. Basically on par with Mike Richards with way more ice time and PP time. And Richards leads the Kings in take aways which is interesting. Weird situation.

Either way it sucks to be them which is ultimately good for the Hawks.
- fattybeef

I hear you and if the air goes out of the ballon here in the next couple of months or whenever....Q will be thought of as a coach who burned players out. I guess it comes with the territory.

I don't disagree with any of those things.

And that is my main sticking point with Q, especially regarding Hossa. But he's won an awful lot of games and has a lot of generational talent to work with. And they play attractive hockey.

And FWIW Dustin Brown is having another dreadful season. Like bad. Basically on par with Mike Richards with way more ice time and PP time. And Richards leads the Kings in take aways which is interesting. Weird situation.

Either way it sucks to be them which is ultimately good for the Hawks.
- fattybeef

I hear you and if the air goes out of the ballon here in the next couple of months or whenever....Q will be thought of as a coach who burned players out. I guess it comes with the territory.

I think the top four all round defenseman after Phaneuf of course are, Doughty, Weber, Keith and Suter and I'd go with that order too.
- paulr

Suter is not a guy I would want to see playing for the Blackhawks. Fine defenceman but there is no real pace to his game, probably because he logs so much ice time.

I"ll take Ryan McDonagh for one over Suter.

You make a great point.......without checking, I'm pretty sure the money is similar per year
- dprice818

I am not really known for optimism, but my cynicism is world renowned

Suter is not a guy I would want to see playing for the Blackhawks. Fine defenceman but there is no real pace to his game, probably because he logs so much ice time.

I"ll take Ryan McDonagh for one over Suter.
- RickJ

But I see you agree about Phaneuf.