My original point was that Goc HAS to be happy that he no longer will be required to tow around two of the worst players in the league. And.... You can't judge his point production because of that fact.
- madmike71

It's not worth your time. These guys legitimately think Goc dragged down Sill and Adams and not the other way around.

My original point was that Goc HAS to be happy that he no longer will be required to tow around two of the worst players in the league. And.... You can't judge his point production because of that fact.
- madmike71

To me, regardless of who Goc played with, he never showed anything.

PLaying with Adams and Sill shouldn't have prevented him from banging someone every once in a blue moon. PLaying with Adams and Sill shouldn't have prevented him from agitating the opposition, being chirpy, and perhaps even being a tad cheap.

One typically thinks of intangibles with 3rd and especially 4th line guys. Other than faceoffs, he never showed me anything.

Wasn't physical. Not a great PK guy. Terrible stick handling. No shot. Didn't agitate or fight.

Basically, he brought nothing to the table. Was likely not even on the other teams radar in the scouting reports.

To me, regardless of who Goc played with, he never showed anything.

PLaying with Adams and Sill shouldn't have prevented him from banging someone every once in a blue moon. PLaying with Adams and Sill shouldn't have prevented him from agitating the opposition, being chirpy, and perhaps even being a tad cheap.

One typically thinks of intangibles with 3rd and especially 4th line guys. Other than faceoffs, he never showed me anything.

Wasn't physical. Not a great PK guy. Terrible stick handling. No shot. Didn't agitate or fight.

Basically, he brought nothing to the table. Was likely not even on the other teams radar in the scouting reports.
- 87_71_11_29

Agreed. He was always just there and never brought anything at all other than faceoffs, which Lapierre is just as good or slightly better (can't remember)

You guys are allll looking at Goc wrong...was he noticeable on the ice? no not particularly, was he great or terrible at anything in particular, no not really...that also means he wasnt noticeably bad or easily to blame for penguins losses or bad plays or mishaps...

so heres my thoughts, he wasn't brought into to score, he wasn't brought into fight, he did exactly what he was supposed to do and did it well. being a 3rd/4th line center isnt supposed to be some awe inspiring glamorous position. Are there better players out there we that could replace him at that specific position(and for less $), possibly, but not too many in my eyes...he did exactly what we expected him to do and I think he did it rather well...lappy is def a grittier player, time will tell if the trade makes sense

we all know lappy can be dirty, and has certainly embellished on many occasions...hes also proven himself to be a playoff performer, so like I said theres good and bad with both but I think its a good hockey trade...it does say something that everyone from the blues is ecstatic that he is gone...

To me, regardless of who Goc played with, he never showed anything.

PLaying with Adams and Sill shouldn't have prevented him from banging someone every once in a blue moon. PLaying with Adams and Sill shouldn't have prevented him from agitating the opposition, being chirpy, and perhaps even being a tad cheap.

One typically thinks of intangibles with 3rd and especially 4th line guys. Other than faceoffs, he never showed me anything.

Wasn't physical. Not a great PK guy. Terrible stick handling. No shot. Didn't agitate or fight.

Basically, he brought nothing to the table. Was likely not even on the other teams radar in the scouting reports.
- 87_71_11_29

I'm pretty much done with the argument, but I'll just say he was actually a pretty good PK'r.

As far as the other intangibles you've mentioned... Fighting, Agitating, Chirping, playing cheap. To me those don't win cups. If it did, the Flyers would have a dozen of them the last 40 years.

Don't get me wrong, I like a physical team. Just not a cheap team that can't control themselves.

Max/Goc aside...

Was great seeing Horny back last night. In a lot of ways, outside of 87/71 producing and 29 showing up, I think he's next in line in terms of team importance.

His NFP on the PP is exactly what this team needs. When they were clicking early in the year, he was wreaking all kinds of havoc on goalies. The Sutter goal last night was a perfect example of his effectiveness.

Of all the Pens candidates for PP time, he's #1 on my list as they have no one else like him on the roster. And yes, that includes Kunitz.

The writing was on the wall last week when HCMJ called out Goc after scratching him:

"We were looking [Tuesday] night to try and add some energy and some more physical play to our lineup," Johnston said. "With [Goc], his penalty-kill has been outstanding this year and he is a defensive center. I'd like him to add a little more [offensively]. Push him to add a little more, to add some chances for. I think he's got to add that to his game."

http://www.post-gazette.c...aldo/stories/201501220244

Wasn't physical, wasn't adding anything offensively. Apparently HCMJ did not excuse Goc's lack of production because of Adams and Sill - Ebbett put up more poinst in far fewer games playing with those two.

.he did exactly what we expected him to do

- JLT168

If he had, he'd still be a Penguin. At 1.2mil, gotta chip in offensively. He didn't. He's gone.

Was great seeing Horny back last night. In a lot of ways, outside of 87/71 producing and 29 showing up, I think he's next in line in terms of team importance.

His NFP on the PP is exactly what this team needs. When they were clicking early in the year, he was wreaking all kinds of havoc on goalies. The Sutter goal last night was a perfect example of his effectiveness.

Of all the Pens candidates for PP time, he's #1 on my list as they have no one else like him on the roster. And yes, that includes Kunitz.
- 87_71_11_29

Amen to all points. The idea that Horny should sit and Jagr should be acquired to take his #1PP time is loony. NFP is exactly what the team needed.

The writing was on the wall last week when HCMJ called out Goc after scratching him:

"We were looking
- hardnosed[Tuesday] night to try and add some energy and some more physical play to our lineup," Johnston said. "With [Goc], his penalty-kill has been outstanding this year and he is a defensive center. I'd like him to add a little more [offensively]. Push him to add a little more, to add some chances for. I think he's got to add that to his game."

http://www.post-gazette.c...aldo/stories/201501220244

Wasn't physical, wasn't adding anything offensively. Apparently HCMJ did not excuse Goc's lack of production because of Adams and Sill - Ebbett put up more poinst in far fewer games playing with those two.

This says it all right here. Ebbett is a younger Craig Adams as well..

If he had, he'd still be a Penguin. At 1.2mil, gotta chip in offensively. He didn't. He's gone.
- hardnosed

I dunno about that, im pretty sure shero brought him in, under bylsma, and now JR and MJ are saying you know thats not the type of guy we need to win in the playoffs with the current team we have

dont get me wrong he had little to no offensive upside, but I dont think they brought him in thinking he was going to produce offensively...plus in florida he was a 2nd line center and here he was 3rd line ctr at best

Rinaldo should have gotten more than 8. He's an actual piece of human waste. The "logo on the front" has nothing to do with it, but his name has everything to do with it because he's an unskilled maggot that does nothing but run around like a donkey and try to either fight or injure someone. There is literally nothing else to his game. He is a cancer in this league.
- eichiefs9

I dunno about that, im pretty sure shero brought him in, under bylsma, and now JR and MJ are saying you know thats not the type of guy we need to win in the playoffs with the current team we have

dont get me wrong he had little to no offensive upside, but I dont think they brought him in thinking he was going to produce offensively...plus in florida he was a 2nd line center and here he was 3rd line ctr at best
- JLT168

I think GMJR has been watching his team take a lot of cheap shots recently. Like CanPenFan mentioned earlier. Perron took like four shots to the face last night. Nobody talked much about it, but Sid took a wicked cross check in the Flyers game....very similar to the one Dubinsky laid on him last year. It's happening virtually every night. Lone exception was the Blackhawks game which was great hockey.

I think Old man Ruth is going to fight fire with fire for what it's worth. It's obvious that's what the NHL wants.

I dunno about that, im pretty sure shero brought him in, under bylsma, and now JR and MJ are saying you know thats not the type of guy we need to win in the playoffs with the current team we have

dont get me wrong he had little to no offensive upside, but I dont think they brought him in thinking he was going to produce offensively...plus in florida he was a 2nd line center and here he was 3rd line ctr at best
- JLT168

I think Shero brought him in dues to all the injuries we had down the stretch that year

Did anyone mention that the crosby icetimes yesterday said sindey crosby? not quit copassgrab material, but damn close

I think GMJR has been watching his team take a lot of cheap shots recently. Like CanPenFan mentioned earlier. Perron took like four shots to the face last night. Nobody talked much about it, but Sid took a wicked cross check in the Flyers game....very similar to the one Dubinsky laid on him last year. It's happening virtually every night. Lone exception was the Blackhawks game which was great hockey.

I think Old man Ruth is going to fight fire with fire for what it's worth. It's obvious that's what the NHL wants.
- madmike71

and I dont disagree with him one bit, what was goc going to do, ask them politely to stop taking cheap shots against our top players? maybe offer them a nice merlot and steak dinner?

Amen to all points. The idea that Horny should sit and Jagr should be acquired to take his #1PP time is loony. NFP is exactly what the team needed.
- hardnosed

The idea that Mario would allow Jagr back on the team is loony.

Did anyone mention that the crosby icetimes yesterday said sindey crosby? not quit copassgrab material, but damn close
- ChrisMS

Don't know how this was missed..

and I dont disagree with him one bit, what was goc going to do, ask them politely to stop taking cheap shots against our top players? maybe offer them a nice merlot and steak dinner?
- JLT168

NO... he would have offered them some weinerschnitzl and hefawiezen!

Don't know how this was missed..
- znagle

That should be on the front page of the philly newspaper. man they screwed up

I dunno about that, im pretty sure shero brought him in, under bylsma, and now JR and MJ are saying you know thats not the type of guy we need to win in the playoffs with the current team we have

dont get me wrong he had little to no offensive upside, but I dont think they brought him in thinking he was going to produce offensively...plus in florida he was a 2nd line center and here he was 3rd line ctr at best
- JLT168

Did you miss the part where Johnston said that Goc needed to chip in more offensively?!?

He was expected to. He didn't. He's gone.

The idea that Mario would allow Jagr back on the team is loony.
- ChrisMS

5th All Time In Scoring.

1st All Time in Dying Alive.

The writing was on the wall last week when HCMJ called out Goc after scratching him:

"We were looking
- hardnosed[Tuesday] night to try and add some energy and some more physical play to our lineup," Johnston said. "With [Goc], his penalty-kill has been outstanding this year and he is a defensive center. I'd like him to add a little more [offensively]. Push him to add a little more, to add some chances for. I think he's got to add that to his game."

http://www.post-gazette.c...aldo/stories/201501220244

Wasn't physical, wasn't adding anything offensively. Apparently HCMJ did not excuse Goc's lack of production because of Adams and Sill - Ebbett put up more poinst in far fewer games playing with those two.

Must be nice to be able to just say whatever you want whether it is factual or not. Ebbett has 6 points. 2 of those came with one or both of Sill and Adams on the ice, and one of them was with Rust and Adams, and Adams didn't factor in on the goal.

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Interesting tidbit i caught on the Jets broadcast last night...

Pens are 9-0-1 when missing both Crosby and Malkin since 2011.