Good possibility. He will fit well in the central. Skate and possess the puck.

Same goes for Lapierre. Crash and bang in the Metro.

Would like to make a move for Methot but Bryan Murray maybe asking for the world still. Not sold on Jagr but I am coming around on moving Kunitz.

But where?... Most "rebuilding" teams will want youth and picks. Not a 35 year old that's lost a step. It would be nice to have another pick in the top 90 tho.
- stowerkraut

This does nothing to help us, we are in a win now mode and Kunitz won't be going anywhere. He has 30p in 39gp.

Once we are back to full health we are solid

Love the trade, I hope he is dirtier than ever.



WWJJD
- nbartley9

Agreed!!! To many Mangina's in the world today.

This does nothing to help us, we are in a win now mode and Kunitz won't be going anywhere. He has 30p in 39gp.

Once we are back to full health we are solid
- znagle

Agree. The window is probably closer to closing than opening, although any team with Crosby and Malkin will always have a shot. The goal should be to ice the best team possible right now.

Agreed!!! To many Mangina's in the world today.
- lloyd095

I will say one thing: Had the Penguins had Lapierre in the lineup in the last game vs. Philly, guaranteed he does something equally as or more stupid as Rinaldo in retaliation.

But from what I've been reading on here, that would not be a good thing, according to most of you.

Can't say I really see the trade of Goc for Lapierre as being a big deal one way or the other. Both are UFAs at the end of the season and the Cap Hits are essentially a wash.

Goc has some nice advanced stats, but that just didn't translate into a lot of sucess with the Penguins. Solid defensive C, but not a physical, checking C.

Lapierre is more physical, but also has a significant history with going over the line. He has, however, kept his PIM in check this season at least.

Just have to wait & see how it turns out.

Love the trade, I hope he is dirtier than ever.



WWJJD
- nbartley9

did you get a bonner on this one Bartsy?

Agree. The window is probably getting closer to closing than opening, although any team with Crosby and Malkin will always have a shot. The goal should be to ice the best team possible right now.
- jmatchett383

Agreed. 87 and 71 will still be great players in 5-6 years, but we are built to win a cup now and next year as most of our team is signed through next year as well. We only have to sign a few guys and we will have the cap to make that happen.

I hate this goof with every bone in my body. Grit is one thing, being a complete douche is another.

One of the cheapest players in the league, then likes to run and hide after starting poop with that stupid grin on his face. I hope Adams injures him in practice.
- canadianpenfan

I cant really argue with anything you have here. Totally true.

But, as long as the league refuses to police its game properly, its every team for itself, Pens included.

I no longer blame the Flyers, Rangers, Pens, or whomever for acquiring players like this.

This dude isn't a deterrent. He's an igniter. He's not protecting anyone. He's merely there to stir up sh*t. 87 and 71 get targeted anyway. He isn't solving that problem. But, he'll certainly make life more uncomfortable for Tavares and whomever else with the buttend of his stick. Say whether you disagree or not with his antics. Fact is, you need that element on your team.

And the mere fact that he pisses so many off on this board and around the league kinda proves his effectiveness. I know I couldn't stand him when he was with the Habs and Nucks.

He has 7 goals in 75 playoff games. Not too shabby either.

I dont care what yoru stats say, Playoffs are a physical match up. Goc never showed that. Neither does Sutter. Pens have been outplayed by inferior teams the past several years due to their lack of physical play.

This does nothing to help us, we are in a win now mode and Kunitz won't be going anywhere. He has 30p in 39gp.

Once we are back to full health we are solid
- znagle

Agreed.

Just mentioning Kuni since MM reported he was unhappy and asked for a trade. Don't want a guy like that, as unfortunate as it is.

At least we don't have to hear from the Goc haters anymore who for whatever reason completely throw out the concept of quality of linemates when evaluating a player. Because yeah, Lapierre or Spaling are going to continue to put up their same offensive numbers centering Sill and Adams compared to their previous linemates. I wonder who they will blame next now that Goc is gone. Obviously the skilled soft players are the targets, so Sutter and Bennett have got to go. Sutter for Cooke and Bennett for Rinaldo? Does that sound good? Does that make the Pens tough enough then?

I will say one thing: Had the Penguins had Lapierre in the lineup in the last game vs. Philly, guaranteed he does something equally as or more stupid as Rinaldo in retaliation.

But from what I've been reading on here, that would not be a good thing, according to most of you.
- jmatchett383

He sure as hell wouldn't of ignored that it happened like 75% of our team does.

I dont care what yoru stats say, Playoffs are a physical match up. Goc never showed that. Neither does Sutter. Pens have been outplayed by inferior teams the past several years due to their lack of physical play.
- sammy87

I agree with this, but I don't think getting a player like Lapierre is the answer, either.

did you get a bonner on this one Bartsy?
- Barnaby36

Yep, still do; I'm calling my doctor.


This is exactly what we need, Goc was very very ineffective.

I will say one thing: Had the Penguins had Lapierre in the lineup in the last game vs. Philly, guaranteed he does something equally as or more stupid as Rinaldo in retaliation.

But from what I've been reading on here, that would not be a good thing, according to most of you.
- jmatchett383

Match, can we all agree the Sac Rinaldo hit was the crowning achievement to the Flyer season and move on?

They called up Ryan White from the cess pool to replace Sac. (140 career game, 240 PIM's) Ask Kurtis Foster how White's elbow tastes.

Agreed.

Just mentioning Kuni since MM reported he was unhappy and asked for a trade. Don't want a guy like that, as unfortunate as it is.
- stowerkraut

I don't think that he reported that he IS unhappy and asked for a trade, he had just stated that it's possible that he is unhappy, just speculation.

So, serious question for all of you:

I think that about 100%, possibly more, of the people who post on here regularly agreed that the type of hit on Letang was complete bull, and that players like Rinaldo should be thrown out of the league, and that he should have been suspended more than 8 games.

Let's say, theoretically, that the Penguins had Lapierre and he responds in kind with an equally/more blatamt cheapshot against Giroux or Voracek. Would you feel the same way about Lapierre?

Final thought on this trade..

Imagine you're John Tavares. You lineup for the faceoff and see Marcel Goc across from you. Are you intimidated? No. Do you fear his physicality? No. Do you need to account for Goc in any way by looking over your shoulder, engage in some trash talk, etc..? No. JT is free to roam around and do his business. Not good from Pens perspective.

Goc was irrelevant in every way. Just a guy that can win a few faceoffs and apparently drive possession even though he didn't really do anything.

When Tavares lines up across Lapierre, there are entirely different thoughts going through his head. Not saying there is any intimidation going on. But, he needs to account for the guy.

That's the difference between Goc and Lapierre.

"good workers don't need help"
- jmatchett383

Haha not that kind of help you bat rastard lol.

Match, can we all agree the Sac Rinaldo hit was the crowning achievement to the Flyer season and move on?

They called up Ryan White from the cess pool to replace Sac. (140 career game, 240 PIM's) Ask Kurtis Foster how White's elbow tastes.
- stowerkraut

The crowning achievement of the Flyers season was probably the road win against LA. And who said I like Ryan White? He's a mediocre upgrade on Zac Rinaldo who is a more or less clean hitter who offers little more and was only called up due to our suspensions and injuries (much like Farnham, Sill, etc.).

So, serious question for all of you:

I think that about 100%, possibly more, of the people who post on here regularly agreed that the type of hit on Letang was complete bull, and that players like Rinaldo should be thrown out of the league, and that he should have been suspended more than 8 games.

Let's say, theoretically, that the Penguins had Lapierre and he responds in kind with an equally/more blatamt cheapshot against Giroux or Voracek. Would you feel the same way about Lapierre?
- jmatchett383

Yes and frankly I'm still mad Del Zotto got nothing for his hit on Borts. Scum is scum.

So, serious question for all of you:

I think that about 100%, possibly more, of the people who post on here regularly agreed that the type of hit on Letang was complete bull, and that players like Rinaldo should be thrown out of the league, and that he should have been suspended more than 8 games.

Let's say, theoretically, that the Penguins had Lapierre and he responds in kind with an equally/more blatamt cheapshot against Giroux or Voracek. Would you feel the same way about Lapierre?
- jmatchett383

Yup. In an ideal world, I don't want this rat on my team. But, circumstances seem to dictate and even necessitate it.

I don't blame the Flyers for Rinaldo, the Isles for Clutterbuck, etc..

The League rewards teams that initiate crap, bs, and physicality. And, it only gets worse in the playoffs.

It is what it is.

For real though, does anybody buy the dimwitted "we need him as a deterrent" logic when acquiring these guys? Adding dirty players will almost certainly escalate the dangerous play, not keep it in check.
- BulliesPhan87

Not at all. I think it puts a bullseye on the stars.

So, serious question for all of you:

I think that about 100%, possibly more, of the people who post on here regularly agreed that the type of hit on Letang was complete bull, and that players like Rinaldo should be thrown out of the league, and that he should have been suspended more than 8 games.

Let's say, theoretically, that the Penguins had Lapierre and he responds in kind with an equally/more blatamt cheapshot against Giroux or Voracek. Would you feel the same way about Lapierre?
- jmatchett383

I wouldn't have wanted Max to make the first hit on one of their stars, that would only create a poop storm. A retaliatory hit after the Rinaldo one would have been fine with me, that whole game I was waiting on Voracek or Giroux to be stretchered off the ice. Eye for an eye, let Max sit 8 games as well. The league doesn't do anything to stop or punish these hits

I agree with this, but I don't think getting a player like Lapierre is the answer, either.
- jmatchett383

If he can do everything Goc can, and drop bodies its a win. Im not going to pretend I have been following his career, i just dont have the time to follow anyone other than the Pens and a few players here and there.

Im down on Sutter as well, he just wont lay a hit and grind it out. Some games you dont have to, some you do. Playoff time, its not an option.