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pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Jan 28 @ 4:55 PM ET
oh and one more thing......if you dont like wilsons blogs stop reading them. if you dont like what wilson tweets stop following him. damn. it aint that hard. u should feel blessed that we have a blogger that gives us reading material everyday that we can fight amongst ourselves about.

Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jan 28 @ 4:57 PM ET
Letang is a franchise defenseman. He's signed to a good contract that will only look better in time. He will never be traded, like it or not. He will be a Norris finalist this year and years to come.
- znagle


Thought you sitting this one out?
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jan 28 @ 4:59 PM ET
oh and one more thing......if you dont like wilsons blogs stop reading them. if you dont like what wilson tweets stop following him. damn. it aint that hard. u should feel blessed that we have a blogger that gives us reading material everyday that we can fight amongst ourselves about.


- pensfan024


I think you're missing some of what was said.
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Jan 28 @ 5:02 PM ET
I think you're missing some of what was said.
- Topshelf Mountain


prob. i def didnt read evey comment. inlighten me
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 28 @ 5:02 PM ET
Letang is a franchise defenseman. He's signed to a good contract that will only look better in time. He will never be traded, like it or not. He will be a Norris finalist this year and years to come.
- znagle

The 'will look better in time' grants me half my point re: inflated contract. I don't think the cap going up is as automatic as people think either; the Canadian dollar is trading at 0.80 to the $1.

Since Letang has been the 'franchise D', the team has won 4 playoff rounds. Should he have won the Norris trophy instead of PK Subban the year the Penguins lost to a lower seed again? Who would have cared?

By the time Letang's contract is supposed to look good, I expect that he'll have lost his job on the PP to Pouliot and have fewer points than Hampus Lindholm.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jan 28 @ 5:08 PM ET
prob. i def didnt read evey comment. inlighten me
- pensfan024


Just opinions that got a little out of hand both ways.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Jan 28 @ 5:10 PM ET
oh and one more thing......if you dont like wilsons blogs stop reading them. if you dont like what wilson tweets stop following him. damn. it aint that hard. u should feel blessed that we have a blogger that gives us reading material everyday that we can fight amongst ourselves about.


- pensfan024

Shut up
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Jan 28 @ 5:11 PM ET
Shut up
- dbell646


incorrect
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 28 @ 5:27 PM ET
Just opinions that got a little out of hand both ways.
- Topshelf Mountain

Just a tendency to get personal. Tackle the ball and not the man.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jan 28 @ 5:33 PM ET
Just a tendency to get personal. Tackle the ball and not the man.
- Johnny Wrath


True. Sometimes you get a little hot under the collar and react, sometimes that isn't right. I reacted and I'll own that.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Jan 28 @ 5:35 PM ET
Pittsburgh's pp in December was clocking in at 6.4%. KL has a single PP goal this season. He's really not that good on the PP. He certainly isn't as important as Hornqvist. The performance Letang provides at his supposed strength is probably worth Paul Martin money at best. Any of five other Pittsburgh D could do as well.

The sheltered d minutes and the lack of PP time in the playoffs amount to a miscast player earning as much as his stat pedigree and a depth defender combined. Oh, and he's injury prone.

- Johnny Wrath


Did you see the Penguins PP against the Flyers without Letang? Martin and Ehrhoff looked lost and dizzy trying to QB that set up. I agree that losing Hornqvist has killed the Penguins PP but without Letang it is much worse and Martin and Ehrhoff can't seem to QB. As for him having only 1 PP goal. That puts him 1 ahead of the other 5 Penguins defensemen.

What sheltered D minutes? Letang is the Penguins #1 defenseman. He doesn't get sheltered minutes and he'll still QB'ing the Penguins powerplays in the playoffs even if they occur less often than they do in the regular season.

I can't disagree with him being injury prone. But the entire Penguins team is injury prone.
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Jan 28 @ 5:36 PM ET
True. Sometimes you get a little hot under the collar and react, sometimes that isn't right. I reacted and I'll own that.
- Topshelf Mountain


Good for u. I like how it got all quiet in here....then some serious comments came out.

Now back to being dumb. Would any one do Mike Richards for scuds straight up?
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Jan 28 @ 5:36 PM ET
2x
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Jan 28 @ 5:56 PM ET
Good for u. I like how it got all quiet in here....then some serious comments came out.

Now back to being dumb. Would any one do Mike Richards for scuds straight up?

- pensfan024

No, I think at this point a guy like Winnik or Condra would be enough.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 28 @ 6:11 PM ET
The 'will look better in time' grants me half my point re: inflated contract. I don't think the cap going up is as automatic as people think either; the Canadian dollar is trading at 0.80 to the $1.

Since Letang has been the 'franchise D', the team has won 4 playoff rounds. Should he have won the Norris trophy instead of PK Subban the year the Penguins lost to a lower seed again? Who would have cared?

By the time Letang's contract is supposed to look good, I expect that he'll have lost his job on the PP to Pouliot and have fewer points than Hampus Lindholm.

- Johnny Wrath

if the nhlpa votes against the 5% escalation in the cba for this year I hear the cap stays the same. Could make it a real problem for a number of teams.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jan 28 @ 6:11 PM ET
Good for u. I like how it got all quiet in here....then some serious comments came out.

Now back to being dumb. Would any one do Mike Richards for scuds straight up?

- pensfan024


The salary is too much. Plus the center depth, currently constructed, is fine.
walshy66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @walshy66 www.hockeyhurts.com
Joined: 03.21.2008

Jan 28 @ 6:19 PM ET
So, serious question for all of you:

I think that about 100%, possibly more, of the people who post on here regularly agreed that the type of hit on Letang was complete bull, and that players like Rinaldo should be thrown out of the league, and that he should have been suspended more than 8 games.

Let's say, theoretically, that the Penguins had Lapierre and he responds in kind with an equally/more blatamt cheapshot against Giroux or Voracek. Would you feel the same way about Lapierre?

- jmatchett383



(frank) YES.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jan 28 @ 6:20 PM ET
if the nhlpa votes against the 5% escalation in the cba for this year I hear the cap stays the same. Could make it a real problem for a number of teams.
- Isles_since_6


The Hawks BIG time. The have kane and toews getting a combined 8 mil in raises and saad will be getting a decent raise. Even without oduya and sharp they are still struggling
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jan 28 @ 6:23 PM ET
(frank) YES.
- walshy66


Double (frank) yes. I just hope Lap can be that instigator who will get under people's skin but without being an idiot and taking dumb penalties
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 28 @ 6:28 PM ET
The Hawks BIG time. The have kane and toews getting a combined 8 mil in raises and saad will be getting a decent raise. Even without oduya and sharp they are still struggling
- drummer829

yeah that'll be an interesting situation. They're going to have to make some decisions.
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Jan 28 @ 6:32 PM ET

For like Goc and Lapierre, who are like 10 min a night guys (guessing)... Is what separates their ratings like 1 shot attempt per game? Half a shot per game? Three shots per game? I have no idea.

My thing is, are we declaring one player as definitively more effective than another player based on a couple shot attempts a week? If so, that just seems so marginal.

- rival22


If a 4th line player were on the ice for 20 shot attempts total between two teams, and their team had 12 shot attempts and the other team had 8, they'd have a Corsi or Fenwick (Corsi includes on goal, missed, and blocked shot attempts, Fenwick includes on goal and missed - this is part of the issue with these two stats - 8 goals on 8 shots is trumped by 12 missed shots) of 60%, which is higher than any Penguin player. A player on the opposing team with 8 shot attempts would be at 40%, which is considered extremely low.

If a player was on the ice for 1000 shots a season, the difference between 47% and 53% would be 60 shots, or about 3/4 of a shot a game. The guy with 47% would be considered a poor possession player, while the guy at 53% would be considered a great possession player.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jan 28 @ 6:35 PM ET
yeah that'll be an interesting situation. They're going to have to make some decisions.
- Isles_since_6


You guys are set up nicely! Wow! I don't think I've looked at the Isles cap situation before.
lloyd095
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jan 28 @ 6:52 PM ET
Adding more rats to the Penguins? That's a problem. It says that the team needs to be sucked into fighting other people's battles to stay competitively engaged. That's a much bigger problem than simply adding what amounts to another name-brand rat in Max Lapierre. Make no mistake, he is going to cost the Penguins. I hope we're all prepared to have fans of other teams being 100% correct when they complain of sinking to Pittsburgh's level.

I am never so ashamed of the game I love than when something like this happens:

The man on the ice needs medical attention. He isn't going to receive optimum care because there has to be a scrum and a fistfight. You know what doesn't matter? Who has a height/reach advantage while a player is powerless to move on the ice.

- Johnny Wrath


I find it funny that this keeps popping up. Boyle turned his back on him skating in hardly a terrible hit.

I think the Pens are saying if you are going to purposely attempt to injure our players we can answer.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jan 28 @ 6:53 PM ET
oh and one more thing......if you dont like wilsons blogs stop reading them. if you dont like what wilson tweets stop following him. damn. it aint that hard. u should feel blessed that we have a blogger that gives us reading material everyday that we can fight amongst ourselves about.


- pensfan024


Your right.... those of us that disagree should read the other pens blogger on hockeybuzz.... remember, RW is no more knowledgeable than the majority of posters on this site... just more energetic. We all appreciate his tenacity. The forum. But saying calling him out is wrong is wrong. duh
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jan 28 @ 6:54 PM ET
So, serious question for all of you:

I think that about 100%, possibly more, of the people who post on here regularly agreed that the type of hit on Letang was complete bull, and that players like Rinaldo should be thrown out of the league, and that he should have been suspended more than 8 games.

Let's say, theoretically, that the Penguins had Lapierre and he responds in kind with an equally/more blatamt cheapshot against Giroux or Voracek. Would you feel the same way about Lapierre?

- jmatchett383

I like it when Pens players hurt other teams players, stand up and cheer at my tv. I don't have to be logical to be a hockey fan.
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