- gravyface

Prft. Rosehill isn't even a Dman

Why the need to shed $ if you're rebuilding? Are you an owner? Is there going to be a long line up of superstar elite level players we need to spend on anytime soon or are youngish trying.to.create cap space for the next Komi, Clarkson, overpaid ufa etc...
- systemtool

Obviously you guys want to keep him. So do i FOR the right deal and if he earns it. Not at all costs.

If he doesnt finish strong...im not giving him more than 4. nowhere do i say trade the bum now. Whats wrong with making gim earn it? If he cant...dont pay him. IMO hes not a 5.5 player and hasnt been since the short season

Why the need to shed $ if you're rebuilding? Are you an owner? Is there going to be a long line up of superstar elite level players we need to spend on anytime soon or are youngish trying.to.create cap space for the next Komi, Clarkson, overpaid ufa etc...

Cap space is only valuable when you are trying to retain your players...and we don't have much worth keeping.
- systemtool

Cap space is always valuable: you never know what's going to happen, when it's going to be useful (i.e. like taking Mike Richards off of LA's hands for a good prospect).

You can't go full-out youth however, and have to keep some veterans in the lineup. If you have just kids with a couple of lower line vets then you'll be Edmonton, with less talent.
- lumlums

fixed

Obviously you guys want to keep him. So do i FOR the right deal and if he earns it. Not at all costs.

If he doesnt finish strong...im not giving him more than 4. nowhere do i say trade the bum now. Whats wrong with making gim earn it? If he cant...dont pay him. IMO hes not a 5.5 player and hasnt been since the short season
- clark_griswold

Today the players all get overpaid. Kadri is not going anywhere.

Cap space is always valuable: you never know what's going to happen, when it's going to be useful (i.e. like taking Mike Richards off of LA's hands for a good prospect).
- gravyface

I don't think a prospect makes it worth taking on that contract. Cap space isn't much value for a rebuilding team, specifically. Which I'm sure I made clear.

Obviously you guys want to keep him. So do i FOR the right deal and if he earns it. Not at all costs.

If he doesnt finish strong...im not giving him more than 4. nowhere do i say trade the bum now. Whats wrong with making gim earn it? If he cant...dont pay him. IMO hes not a 5.5 player and hasnt been since the short season
- clark_griswold

If he was playing at a near PPG pace now like he was in the shortened year (a year when the entire team was better), he'd be a 6-7M player.

I don't think a prospect makes it worth taking on that contract. Cap space isn't much value for a rebuilding team, specifically. Which I'm sure I made clear.
- systemtool

Depends on who the prospect is and how much salary is retained.

Like we are now? Or are the last 4 years a result of bad bounces?
- clark_griswold

Doesn't matter what we are now, if you want to contend then you need some vets in the lineup.

Doesn't matter what we are now, if you want to contend then you need some vets in the lineup.
- lumlums

nice avatar




dare i ask?

Depends on who the prospect is and how much salary is retained.
- gravyface

Sure but Kings can't afford to retain salary, you're not getting a top prospect, and term is still too long. Sure if he comes with unicorns and leprechauns in tow it depends, but let's not turn this into a fairytale. It's going to be a crap prospect, term will still be there, Richards sucks, and the Kings need all the cap space they can muster and can't afford eating enough salary.

nice avatar




dare i ask?
- Lucas Neilson

Beetle_John (Canucklehead) did a google search for lumlums... Turns out that its a few things beyond young relatives not being able to say my last name... One of them is a light up toy of friendship and magic that appears to be a rival for my little pony (it's also the name of a bar in Fresno, CA, and also takes you to the Lahore University Management School )

Doesn't matter what we are now, if you want to contend then you need some vets in the lineup.
- lumlums

we aren't contending now, haven't been for years and won't for the next 5 years whether we rebuild or not. Hence, let's rebuild the right way for ONCE

Beetle_John (Canucklehead) did a google search for lumlums... Turns out that its a few things beyond young relatives not being able to say my last name... One of them is a light up toy of friendship and magic that appears to be a rival for my little pony (it's also the name of a bar in Fresno, CA, and also takes you to the Lahore University Management School )
- lumlums

i thought we were friends

so a little history behind lumlums eh!? didnt say anything about being an HBSL division champion......yet?

hows the thesis coming along?

Johnson injured- Franson or Phaneuf for the 1st? or Just add Bozak for RoR?

we aren't contending now, haven't been for years and won't for the next 5 years whether we rebuild or not. Hence, let's rebuild the right way for ONCE
- clark_griswold

Are you here to disagree with everyone or just to see how many times you can type "rebuild"?

we aren't contending now, haven't been for years and won't for the next 5 years whether we rebuild or not. Hence, let's rebuild the right way for ONCE
- clark_griswold

i agree 100% we are not contending and havnt in a long while.

but i must say i feel its good to have a bit of vet presence to help lead the younger guys, its actually quite beneficial...just dont be stupid about it and trade away young assets or picks for a vet player. 1-2 year deals at most and pay them a little amount.

its actually a problem the leafs have had in the past; either too many vets they paid picks for, or too little vets and have nobody to chime in and help lead.
the team we had for the playoff run a couple years ago had 0 veteran leadership and i honestly feel that may have helped a bit with that game 7 meltdown...oh, and randy calling a timeout!

but yes, dont overload the team with 'vet presence' but a player or two isnt going to hurt.

If he was playing at a near PPG pace now like he was in the shortened year (a year when the entire team was better), he'd be a 6-7M player.
- gravyface

and that's fine. But to me, people can say what they want about him improving his 2 way play. It couldn't have gotten any worse. He is still a purely offensive guy. he doesn't kill penalties, or is a faceoff wiz. He's not a shut down guy. So to me he's not a 5+ guy. I don't set the market. To me he hasn't earned it.

Do i want to keep him? yes. SO let's see him earn it. To me when i look at the points he has and compare him to the guys close to him in the scoring race, they are more complete players. I don't know, maybe im crazy.

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Teams that could catch or tie the Leafs in the standings tonight in Bold

Arizona at Philly
Minnesota at Edmonton

Are you here to disagree with everyone or just to see how many times you can type "rebuild"?
- systemtool

wha'ts wrong with disagreeing? as long as it's civil. That's what these boards are for -debate. On here it seems the majority dictates wha'ts right and what's wrong.

I guess you are happy with status quo.

Beetle_John (Canucklehead) did a google search for lumlums... Turns out that its a few things beyond young relatives not being able to say my last name... One of them is a light up toy of friendship and magic that appears to be a rival for my little pony (it's also the name of a bar in Fresno, CA, and also takes you to the Lahore University Management School )
- lumlums

So what's the equivalent of a Brony? A Brolum?

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Teams that could catch or tie the Leafs in the standings tonight in Bold

Arizona at Philly
Minnesota at Edmonton
- senstroll

next 3 games for us are MUST lose. All to teams below us

Tank Update
Teams that could catch or tie the Leafs in the standings tonight in Bold

Arizona at Philly
Minnesota at Edmonton
- senstroll

We don't need to worry about that. Leafs are going to lose all 34 games remaining.

You can't go full-out youth however, and have to keep some veterans in the lineup. If you have just kids with a couple of lower line vets then you'll get slaughtered.
- lumlums

Hence, what has happened to the leafs the past 5 years.

Leaf fans were bragging about how young the team is and so and so forth...well that youth hasnt gotten them anywhere.

Oh and fack Healy.

wha'ts wrong with disagreeing? as long as it's civil. That's what these boards are for -debate. On here it seems the majority dictates wha'ts right and what's wrong.

I guess you are happy with status quo.
- clark_griswold

The Leafs wont do a full rebuild.
Jesus.