JVR will fetch a good return.. a really good return and no one is talking about it

6'2 mid 20's 30 goal scorer great contract.

We have many guys on this team that would fetch a first. Franson is rumored to might bring a 1st back. im not holding my breath though.
- Lee Denault

I think Franson gets a first easy because of the need for a big rhd and any team can fit him under their cap. Bidding war will drive it up to a first easy id guess.

we are also built backwards...strong on the wings is not a hockey team properly built.

proper team: Strong goaltending (i believe so) Strong up the middle (nope). Strong defense (nope). Wingers are least important.

They can get alot for one of their young guys and like i said, they should get eichel or mcdavid. Edmonton's pain will pay off.
- clark_griswold

yes. but our D and G are better is what I mean.

is McDavid going to play nets? I'm kidding...but they are million miles away until Nurse is dominant and they get a goalie...or trade for some D

I'd keep JVR, I really like Franson..but he's got to go..I think he'll get a good pick back...he should...if he'd sign under $5 I'd almost keep him...tough call IMO.
- Garnie

5mil is to much for me we cant keep sighing players on our team like they are UFA in a open market. Look at a gut like Josi playes with weber and he gets 4mil and franson is no josi.

The Thrill and Santorelli for Jones, Wilson a 1st in 2015 and a second in 2016
- MountAlbert

i'd love it..but we won't get close to that. Id never say never but be amazed if they gave us jones straight for kessel. Id say wilson, a 1st and a prospect. that's always been my nasvhille deal.

but i'd love to take your deal! Jones is a stud who plays all situations. Has size and is 19. He's a corner stone of a team. it's a pipe dream.

here's the thing. In 3 of the past 4 years (im including this) weve barely finished above them. 8th overall pick, 5th overall pick, this year?

we are competitive at times but the final standings are the measuring stick. We have a cap mess to worry about, they don't. They have better young players and tradeable assets than us. They have sucked for a long time, like we should have. I see brighter days ahead and if they get mcdavid...wow....BUt that's hindsight and i was a retooler too...but i've 'seen the light'. It's TNT time pal.
- clark_griswold

I wonder too if coaching wasn't your problem, (at times).
Carlyle was/is a defensive coach, yet they were known to play run, & gun?
Was he coaching to the strength of his players?
Or was he doing what Snider, errrrrr. I mean ownership wanted?
I wondered that this season especially, because they were winning with the same cast, & then the wheels fell off.
Yes, that is the story of Toronto since the Sundin days, but they seemed to be better assembled this season

5mil is to much for me we cant keep sighing players on our team like they are UFA in a open market. Look at a gut like Josi playes with weber and he gets 4mil and franson is no josi.
- jake24242

I haven't watched him ( Josi ), Franson is underrated IMO.

IF Richards is willing to play his ass off and be a leader for the next 5 years then he's the perfect place holder while the Leafs try to rebuild and they can send Clarkson or Phaneuf back the other way. Make no mistake though Richards has negative value right now and is being traded for an equally bad contract.

yes. but our D and G are better is what I mean.

is McDavid going to play nets? I'm kidding...but they are million miles away until Nurse is dominant and they get a goalie...or trade for some D
- Garnie

we are farther

sorry dude i know you hate me right now ...it's just the way i see it

im on board with all your views currently. Im just preparing for a 5 year minimum. I doubt it's cured in less time. We don't have the assets to get the prime prospects/high picks and currently don't own many high end prospects. It's gonna suck my friend.
- clark_griswold

We have two good prospects in Rielly and Nylander. The core, still in their mid 20's, could be used to do the enhanced version rebuild. You will get more, for guys in their mid 20's, then you will with guys in their 30's. They should target teams on the bubble, or one piece away from being Stanley Cup contenders and try to pry away already drafted young pieces. They need to win now, not in the off season. You can get a better return, from a GM that thinks they have a chance to get in, or win it all. There may be more suitors in the off season, but getting maximum return is paramount as the trade deadline approaches. It has to be picks, or drafted first round picks coming back.

I think Franson gets a first easy because of the need for a big rhd and any team can fit him under their cap. Bidding war will drive it up to a first easy id guess.
- jake24242

i agree but it will be a low 1st (competing team). Still id be ecstatic with a 1st and i expect that will be the return based on past examples.

we are farther

sorry dude i know you hate me right now ...it's just the way i see it
- clark_griswold

we will make the playoffs within the next 3 years

( start counting in Sept please )

I'd keep JVR, I really like Franson..but he's got to go..I think he'll get a good pick back...he should...if he'd sign under $5 I'd almost keep him...tough call IMO.
- Garnie

if thsi team is going into the tank, why do you keep jvr?

if thsi team is going into the tank, why do you keep jvr?
- Lee Denault

Yeah, please give him back. Please Please

We have two good prospects in Rielly and Nylander. The core, still in their mid 20's, could be used to do the enhanced version rebuild. You will get more, for guys in their mid 20's, then you will with guys in their 30's. They should target teams on the bubble, or one piece away from being Stanley Cup contenders and try to pry away already drafted young pieces. They need to win now, not in the off season. You can get a better return, from a GM that thinks they have a chance to get in, or win it all. There may be more suitors in the off season, but getting maximum return is paramount as the trade deadline approaches. It has to be picks, or drafted first round picks coming back.
- PrinceLH

yup agreed. i think jvr/franson/santo / winnik go now..rest in the summer and draft. And id only keep rielly and nylander too. Sorry kadri and bernier fans.
still im banking on 5 years minimum..can't handle any more dissapointment

if thsi team is going into the tank, why do you keep jvr?
- Lee Denault

I'm doing the 3yr rebuild.

please fasten your seatbelt.

we will make the playoffs within the next 3 years

( start counting in Sept please )
- Garnie

i hope you are right..i bet you are wrong

I'm doing the 3yr rebuild.

please fasten your seatbelt.
- Garnie

i will, but i dont think it will matter. Burkes 2-3 year rebuild had many 18 wheelers fall off many cliffs.

i will, but i dont think it will matter. Burkes 2-3 year rebuild had many 18 wheelers fall off many cliffs.
- Lee Denault

because of the pressure to do a 5 year rebuild in 1-2 years

Thats it kids are falling asleep, 2 more molsons & NHL 15

if thsi team is going into the tank, why do you keep jvr?
- Lee Denault

JVR must go because the return will be glorious. You can get a 1st from a team that could possibly be bad enough to finish bottom 5 and/or a very good prospect.

Fans and the org (I hope) must realize any good player over the age of 23 on this team is useless now. The team must rebuild and the most important aspect of a rebuild is timing.... It's a clice but timing is everything.

Yeah, please give him back. Please Please
- puckhead17

1st and laughton

because of the pressure to do a 5 year rebuild in 1-2 years
- puckhead17

and thats why we fail...time and time.and time..and time.and time again

i hope you are right..i bet you are wrong
- clark_griswold

I don't want to bet, but in the cap era it shouldn't take as long to rebuild.

Grabbing other teams cap crunch throw aways ( especially if we can shed $7m and $8m and grab a similar skilled ruffian )...plus a couple good picks in the next 2 or 3 years..plus what we have.

because of the pressure to do a 5 year rebuild in 1-2 years

Thats it kids are falling asleep, 2 more molsons & NHL 15
- puckhead17

JVR must go because the return will be glorious. You can get a 1st from a team that could possibly be bad enough to finish bottom 5 and/or a very good prospect.

Fans and the org (I hope) must realize any good player over the age of 23 on this team is useless now. The team must rebuild and the most important aspect of a rebuild is timing.... It's a clice but timing is everything.
- Mr_Smokey

clark_griswold endorses this message 100%...no 10000% . Every word.

1st and laughton
- Lee Denault

Yeah, please, stab us again.

fuc*&%^# Paul Holmgren