Is that how it works? Who gets boned when Luongo retires?
- BetterCallSaul

Who ever benefits from the lower cap hit gets the recapture.

...how have the results been?
- clark_griswold

Not good with Phaneuf and Kessel....two guys that have to go IMO. Those players I listed can't win a cup on theor own.

Bozak, JVR, Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner, Reilly....not a bad core at all
- mochoson

Honestly I would just keep Kadri, Lupul and Rielly from the "core" this year. JVR would fetch considerably more than Lupul.

Bozak, JVR, Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner, Reilly....not a bad core at all
- mochoson

If I was going to retool.

I'd trade Bozak and Gardiner too.

Keep Santo/Winnik/Polak along with JVR/Kadri/Bernier/Rielly/Kessel maybe

Drop Lupul and I agree. Bozak as a 3C ?
- MountAlbert

Bozak has proven time and time again he's better than just a "third line center".

I think Lupul is worth more to the Leafs. I think the return for him would be underwhelming. He's a very good player when healthy.

prove me wrong. standings don't lie
- clark_griswold

I see that you woke up on the regular side of the bed today....

Honestly I would just keep Kadri, Lupul and Rielly from the "core" this year. JVR would fetch considerably more than Lupul.
- BetterCallSaul

I would only keep Kessel and Rielly, if i don't get enough for JVR i'd keep him too.
all the rest are second and third liners and bottom 4 defence men.

Not good with Phaneuf and Kessel....two guys that have to go IMO. Those players I listed can't win a cup on theor own.
- mochoson

Nobody wins a cup on their own.

If I was going to retool.

I'd trade Bozak and Gardiner too.

Keep Santo/Winnik/Polak along with JVR/Kadri/Bernier/Rielly/Kessel maybe


- Garnie

I'd take whatever I can get for Phaneuf and wage a bidding war for Kessel. Kessel return is key. The most important thing that needs to happen I'd a culture change. I think it changes significantly if you move these two.

Bozak has proven time and time again he's better than just a "third line center".

I think Lupul is worth more to the Leafs. I think the return for him would be underwhelming. He's a very good player when healthy.
- mochoson

I think they've said (frank) YOU TORONTO.

From: Bozie and Kess

The only way I want Richards is if we can send them clarkson! Which isn't happening so it's a moot point anyways

Honestly I would just keep Kadri, Lupul and Rielly from the "core" this year. JVR would fetch considerably more than Lupul.
- BetterCallSaul

Plugging one hole while creating another; I don't see the point in trading JVR. If you trade him, keep Phil.

Nobody wins a cup on their own.
- systemtool

Tell that to Jonathan Quick

so if the ducks are interested as much as it sounds in franson, who do they send? Smith-Pelly and a pick? or ritchie? what kind of package are we looking at here. i would think Ritchie and a conditional pick depending on how far the ducks go in the playoffs and if franson resigns.

Plugging one hole while creating another; I don't see the point in trading JVR. If you trade him, keep Phil.
- mochoson

I like JVR, and wouldn't be unhappy if we keep him. I'm just saying he would fetch quite a bit.

And yes, you would be creating holes, but that's the point. I've made no secret recently that I want this team to be bad for a while. And not bad for stretches, good for stretches like they have been for years now. Bad for at least three seasons in a row.

Tell that to Jonathan Quick
- mochoson

Why? I'm sure Kopitar, Carter, Gabby, Doughty and an ass full of other hear just fine too

Why? I'm sure Kopitar, Carter, Gabby, Doughty and an ass full of other hear just fine too
- systemtool

Meh. They "helped" I guess.

I like JVR, and wouldn't be unhappy if we keep him. I'm just saying he would fetch quite a bit.

And yes, you would be creating holes, but that's the point. I've made no secret recently that I want this team to be bad for a while. And not bad for stretches, good for stretches like they have been for years now. Bad for at least three seasons in a row.
- BetterCallSaul

The reason he would fetch a lot is why we don't trade him

I think they've said (frank) YOU TORONTO.

From: Bozie and Kess


- Garnie

To Toronto:

Reinhart
DalColle
Strome
+

To Isles:

Kessel
Bozak

so if the ducks are interested as much as it sounds in franson, who do they send? Smith-Pelly and a pick? or ritchie? what kind of package are we looking at here. i would think Ritchie and a conditional pick depending on how far the ducks go in the playoffs and if franson resigns.
- Leafer749

id go for Ritchie and a pick

To Toronto:

Reinhart
DalColle
Strome
+

To Isles:

Kessel
Bozak
- DougGilmour_93

i think this is the type of package the leafs need for kessel, but i think NYI would want gardiner too.

kessel, bozak, gardiner

dal colle, strome, reinhart, nelson

ohh and rinaldo is gone for 10 games

i think this is the type of package the leafs need for kessel, but i think NYI would want gardiner too.

kessel, bozak, gardiner

dal colle, strome, reinhart, nelson
- Leafer749

gotta look at the cap as well, dont think they can take on that much salary.

The flames would be good trade partners too.

Could ask for Sam Bennet and 1st Rounder+

Honestly I would just keep Kadri, Lupul and Rielly from the "core" this year. JVR would fetch considerably more than Lupul.
- BetterCallSaul

Exactly..

I hate lupuls injuries.. But he's really good when healthy.

I like JVR, and wouldn't be unhappy if we keep him. I'm just saying he would fetch quite a bit.

And yes, you would be creating holes, but that's the point. I've made no secret recently that I want this team to be bad for a while. And not bad for stretches, good for stretches like they have been for years now. Bad for at least three seasons in a row.
- BetterCallSaul

As a Flyers fan, I can tell you it's unnecessary. Dead last in 06-07, EDF the next year. The Edmonton model doesn't work well. It won't take that long with some of the players you have.

Like I said, the group of Bozak, JVR, Gardiner, Reilly (& maybe Lupul) is a start. Retool, not rebuild. Drop Phil and Dion and go from there. Stay open minded with other trades and FA's, and you could be right back the playoffs next year.

Leafs don't need a full rebuild. Nylander could be next year's Filip Foraberg. Anything could happen. Take a year to year approach.