Bogosian hits hard, fights, stands up for teammates and is ok defensively.

Phaneuf hardly ever does any of the above anymore.

But Dion does wind up and shoot big barn door wide shots and gets more PP time so I guess you could say he is a better offensive defence man?

I find Dion very Offensive to be honest.

Yeah, let's ignore a decade of Dion's very good stats and give the edge to an injury prone D-Man that has proven squat...
- RogerRoeper

No, but it is debatable is that was said.

But how is that 1 guys' fault?
- RogerRoeper

The logic of a Canucks fan. Just like it's Luongo's fault they didn't win the cup and no one elses.

All I know is NY and Bruins dumped both of these players respectively, and in the end made drastic improvements quickly, obviously the Leafs would still suck, but the moves certainly didn't hurt these teams chances when push came to shove...
- aminnes

And Gaborik has a cup. New York lost in the finals to his team.

this is a thread of ridiculousness

Stamkos is not a two-way player at all.
- RogerRoeper

No he is defensively responsible according to his coach and he never dogs it out there. That is not debatable. You would prefer Kessel on your team over Stamkos?

I don't know what that is.

The walls were thick plaster with chicken type wire for support on top of lathe.

I was only cutting 4 ft up to expose the plumbing. Had to use a metal cut wheel on a grinder to get through. Removed galvinized (sp) pipe in the wall. All new plastic installed.

(frank) copper too, poop leaks too much.
- sloppyseconds2

That sounds nasty. Phaneuf nasty.

Stamkos is not a two-way player at all.
- RogerRoeper

No, but he's at least not a total detriment, the leafs top line is horrible, especially when you consider how much they score...

Bogosian hits hard, fights, stands up for teammates and is ok defensively.

Phaneuf hardly ever does any of the above anymore.

But Dion does wind up and shoot big barn door wide shots and gets more PP time so I guess you could say he is a better offensive defence man?

I find Dion very Offensive to be honest.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

He picks and chooses who he fights.

And Gaborik has a cup. New York lost in the finals to his team.
- RogerRoeper

When he wasn't there... Get's all the credit but none of the criticism...

bogosian has more value than jvr?....defense is overrated?

wtf is going on in here

Bogosian hits hard, fights, stands up for teammates and is ok defensively.

Phaneuf hardly ever does any of the above anymore.

But Dion does wind up and shoot big barn door wide shots and gets more PP time so I guess you could say he is a better offensive defence man?

I find Dion very Offensive to be honest.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Dion shadows the oppositions' best players every night and is actually playing a defensive role. I'm not sure why people aren't seeing that.

He's actually the NHL's #1 D-Man in QOC the last 3 seasons.

bogosian has more value than jvr....defense is overrated?
- Lee Denault

I said defense is overrated by people who believe it's more important thabn offense.

How does Bogosian have more value than JVR. You're going to have to explain this one.
- RogerRoeper

thats what was said in here

But how is that 1 guys' fault?
- RogerRoeper

Didn't they win a cup right after trading him?

He picks and chooses who he fights.
- Champ

Oldvechkin tossing him on the ice and him doing nothing in the Rematch after the Komorov incident was the end of me supporting Dion as a leader for me.

thats what was said in here
- Lee Denault

Nevermind. I misunderstood. Corrected it.

I said defense is overrated by people who believe it's more important thabn offense.
- RogerRoeper

arent you the one who said defense is overrated?

explain that for (frank) sakes

arent you the one who said defense is overrated?

explain that for (frank) sakes
- Lee Denault

I just explained it. You used my quote.

I said defense is overrated by people who believe it's more important thabn offense.
- RogerRoeper

so you think defense is overrated?

So for the record, do people think I am incorrect in saying there's a shift and that defense is perceived as more important than offense?

I just explained it. You used my quote.
- RogerRoeper

because you edited it quickly

So for the record, do people think I am incorrect in saying there's a shift and that defense is perceived as more important than offense?
- RogerRoeper

they are equally important.

wtf?

because you edited it quickly
- Lee Denault

I did not edit it. That was the previous one which I admitted to you I had done due to misunderstanding your point.