You mean knee walls?

And yes that lath and plaster dust is awful
- Bieksa#3

Yes knee walls in 1.5 stories

Seems like every tub in that style of house is in the corner up against the knee wall. Hard to work with that.

Incorrect. In 2009' the Bruins went to the second round.
- RogerRoeper

Sorry yes. I in 10 yrs

Not wanting to trade JVR for Bogo is fine but to say D is overrated as every contender wants to solidify the D core is nuts. The 80ies and 90ies are long gone so winning with offense alone is gone. Your strength is your offense so you need to sacrifice some to strengthen you poor D core. It's a no brainer.
- Champ

I already stated why I think it's being overrated.

Yes knee walls in 1.5 stories

Seems like every tub in that style of house is in the corner up against the knee wall. Hard to work with that.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Yep

Sorry yes. I in 10 yrs
- Bieksa#3

6 goals, 11 points in 11 games in 2009'.

I agree with you.
- Champ

If Dion beats him in every stat, why is it debatable?

Gaborick, like Kessel came into a culture already established, look what garbage culture Gaborick helped create in Columbus... If he goes into LA and (frank)s the dog, he is an instant outcast, but he liked winning and conformed... Same with Phil, you bring him in on a Nashville team ripe for winning and he conforms or becomes a bum, overpaid, and useless... You don't build and culture around these guys, you bring them in as a complement after, the Bruins weren't there yet, stye let him go, by the same token, NY let Gaborick go, and got better, they just weren't int he right spot with him leading...
- aminnes

Basically yes. But even more guys like Phil and gaborik can't be "the man" because they are far to one dimensional

If Dion beats him in every stat, why is it debatable?
- RogerRoeper

Begosian is worth more dues to Dions salary implications... 3 million more to spend on other d men... Plus Dion has peaked, Bogo probably not... He would be a nice 3-4 guy at 4 million...

I already stated why I think it's being overrated.
- RogerRoeper

For the Leafs it's a necessity not overrated.

6 goals, 11 points in 11 games in 2009'.
- RogerRoeper

I asked you, wouldn't you rather have less points and more wins? You didn't answer

Gaborick, like Kessel came into a culture already established, look what garbage culture Gaborick helped create in Columbus... If he goes into LA and (frank)s the dog, he is an instant outcast, but he liked winning and conformed... Same with Phil, you bring him in on a Nashville team ripe for winning and he conforms or becomes a bum, overpaid, and useless... You don't build and culture around these guys, you bring them in as a complement after, the Bruins weren't there yet, stye let him go, by the same token, NY let Gaborick go, and got better, they just weren't int he right spot with him leading...
- aminnes

This is silly. Columbus was crap for years before Gaborik arrived. why should he get blame for his brief time there?

And LA may have had a "Winning Culture", but they were 29th in GF before he arrived and in danger of missing the playoffs. Offense was the ingredient they needed to have success again.

They won the cup because they started scoring goals.

Begosian is worth more dues to Dions salary implications... 3 million more to spend on other d men... Plus Dion has peaked, Bogo probably not... He would be a nice 3-4 guy at 4 million...
- aminnes

Agreed a players per for.dance has to be tied to his cap #

I asked you, wouldn't you rather have less points and more wins? You didn't answer
- Bieksa#3

So if Kessel scored less and played more defense, you are comfortable they'd win?

See, this is where defense gets overrated, Kessel's stats are being used against him. He was drafted to score.

This is silly. Columbus was crap for years before Gaborik arrived. why should he get blame for his brief time there?

And LA may have had a "Winning Culture", but they were 29th in GF before he arrived and in danger of missing the playoffs. Offense was the ingredient they needed to have success again.

They won the cup because they started scoring goals.
- RogerRoeper

Again, Gaborik gets none of the blame on one hand, and all the credit on the other...

This is silly. Columbus was crap for years before Gaborik arrived. why should he get blame for his brief time there?

And LA may have had a "Winning Culture", but they were 29th in GF before he arrived and in danger of missing the playoffs. Offense was the ingredient they needed to have success again.

They won the cup because they started scoring goals.
- RogerRoeper

That team won a cup and went to the conference finals without gaborik

That team won a cup and went to the conference finals without gaborik
- Bieksa#3

Again, Gaborik gets none of the blame on one hand, and all the credit on the other...

Again, Gaborik gets none of the blame on one hand, and all the credit on the other...
- aminnes

I gave you exact reasons for that,. You're blaiming him for a terrible Columbus team he spent a short period of time on.

And please look at LA this time last year. They were horrible offensively

If Dion beats him in every stat, why is it debatable?
- RogerRoeper

Yes, the operative word is debatable. There is more than just stats.

That sounds painfull and dusy and dirty. Did you have to deal with the dreaded half story pony walls in the bathroom? Did a few of those, real female doges.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

I don't know what that is.

The walls were thick plaster with chicken type wire for support on top of lathe.

I was only cutting 4 ft up to expose the plumbing. Had to use a metal cut wheel on a grinder to get through. Removed galvinized (sp) pipe in the wall. All new plastic installed.

(frank) copper too, poop leaks too much.

So if Kessel scored less and played more defense, you are comfortable they'd win?

See, this is where defense gets overrated, Kessel's stats are being used against him. He was drafted to score.
- RogerRoeper

Points don't mean crap if you don't win.

Yes, the operative word is debatable. There is more than just stats.
- Champ

Yeah, let's ignore a decade of Dion's very good stats and give the edge to an injury prone D-Man that has proven squat...

Points don't mean crap if you don't win.
- Bieksa#3

But how is that 1 guys' fault?

So if Kessel scored less and played more defense, you are comfortable they'd win?

See, this is where defense gets overrated, Kessel's stats are being used against him. He was drafted to score.
- RogerRoeper

So was Stamkos and he is very defensively responsible. And if he was more responsible defensively does not mean he would score less goals.

So was Stamkos and he is very defensively responsible. And if he was more responsible defensively does not mean he would score less goals.
- Champ

Stamkos is not a two-way player at all.

I gave you exact reasons for that,. You're blaiming him for a terrible Columbus team he spent a short period of time on.

And please look at LA this time last year. They were horrible offensively
- RogerRoeper

All I know is NY and Bruins dumped both of these players respectively, and in the end made drastic improvements quickly, obviously the Leafs would still suck, but the moves certainly didn't hurt these teams chances when push came to shove...