I think alone not too much that's why he's still here. Package deal may be a different story.
- VanHockeyGuy

So why is a high 2nd(practically a 1st) such a bad return

I guess there is something to be said by not playing in a traditional hockey market like Doan, Luongo etc. Leave the rink in shorts and flip flops, no one breaking your ball's. I get it.

I think alone not too much that's why he's still here. Package deal may be a different story.
- VanHockeyGuy

/if the Canucks are infact trying to get Doan out of Phoenix I garauntee they'd want either Lack or Markstrom

I'd throw Kassian in there and look for a Dman aswell.

So why is a high 2nd(practically a 1st) such a bad return
- Bieksa#3

Is he worth that?

I wouldn't say it isn't possible but I wouldn't do it for a player with imo a bright future ahead of him for someone at the end of theirs. As for respectable return. I hate to say it I would take a chance on a player for player deal. Potential for potential. I didn't really hurt us in taking a chance on him in the first place. Personally I would give him more time unless a deal falls in our lap that we can't say no to. At this point Gagner is more appealing to me than Doan.
- thundachunk

So you would rather have Gagner and his contract who was traded for a 6th rounder a few months ago. Rather then a 2nd and Doan?
Does that even make sense?

I am in no way advocating giving up much to get Doan.

But if this scenario is similar to what played out between us and Anaheim, with Kesler. I am wondering how little we would have to give up to get him?

Doan has his ntc and almost signed here before he signed with Arizona. If he has a small list of teams or no list, just the Canucks, he'd be willing to waive for...

He only has one season remaining after this one. Might be a good stop gap while prospects are maturing, just don't know how it works with the cap and what would have to go the other way.

If it is a choice of him not waiving or waiving only for the Canucks, the Yotes may take whatever deal is offered to just cut salary and tank.
- hillbillydeluxe

ARI may be looking beyond Mike Smith now and if Lack and/or Markstrom is on their radar it's something we would need to look at. Doan might be had without picks and prospects in the mix. If a Lack/Kassian-Doan or a Kassian/Higgins-Doan deal is on the table mngt will need to mull it over. Can you imagine Horvat in a few seasons with a mentor like Doan here for a season or two? THAT is exactly the kind of leadership and guidance Horvat needs.

ARI may be looking beyond Mike Smith now and if Lack and/or Markstrom is on their radar it's something we would need to look at. Doan might be had without picks and prospects in the mix. If a Lack/Kassian-Doan or a Kassian/Higgins-Doan deal is on the table mngt will need to mull it over. Can you imagine Horvat in a few seasons with a mentor like Doan here for a season or two? THAT is exactly the kind of leadership and guidance Horvat needs.
- LordHumungous

2 Young players for a rental?

So you would rather have Gagner and his contract who was traded for a 6th rounder a few months ago. Rather then a 2nd and Doan?
Does that even make sense?
- Bieksa#3

Will need to have $$ going back to ARI.

2 Young players for a rental?
- VanHockeyGuy

I'd throw in a prospect in a Kass/ Lack deal to get OEL or Yandle.

Will need to have $$ going back to ARI.
- VanHockeyGuy

Why. Its not like we don't have the cap room. We can add a guy making approx 6 mill without removing anybody. So Do an is 5.5 and we remove 1.75.

I'd throw in a prospect in a Kass/ Lack deal to get OEL or Yandle.
- vancity787

Is that prospect virtanen or horvat

ARI may be looking beyond Mike Smith now and if Lack and/or Markstrom is on their radar it's something we would need to look at. Doan might be had without picks and prospects in the mix. If a Lack/Kassian-Doan or a Kassian/Higgins-Doan deal is on the table mngt will need to mull it over. Can you imagine Horvat in a few seasons with a mentor like Doan here for a season or two? THAT is exactly the kind of leadership and guidance Horvat needs.
- LordHumungous

Yikes

2 Young players for a rental?
- VanHockeyGuy

As long as there are no picks or major prospects involved why not? Lack most likely won't ever be a starter here and Kassian ain't goin nowhere here it appears being a healthy scratch every 2-3rd game. I can't see Lack wanting to be a backup here for 5 seasons and it appears more and more each day that Benning is shopping Kassian. They may be young sure but how does management and coaching view their progress? Many view Kassian as a bust and Lack never to be a no 1.

If playoffs are on the radar (and Benning has said they are) then we need a top 6 guy to round us out. With Markstrom and Jensen at the ready Benning can take calls on Lack/Kassian. We all know the full rebuild is coming we can worry about that next year. But with playoffs in the sights of management something needs to be done.

Is that prospect virtanen or horvat
- Bieksa#3

I think there are alternatives that would work. Maybe by adding a pick. If it came down to getting rid of one of Virtanen or Boho. Fukk that.

Their are lots of possibilities though. Get creative.

Think there is only about 2 mil available
- VanHockeyGuy

That was at the beginning of the season. If u go half a yr with 2 mill it becomes 4 mill. The number expands because you arecontinuly below the cap

I'd throw in a prospect in a Kass/ Lack deal to get OEL or Yandle.
- vancity787

I wonder what it would take to get Doan AND OEL?

That should get the blood boiling around here...

I think there are alternatives that would work. Maybe by adding a pick. If it came down to getting rid of one of Virtanen or Boho. Fukk that.

Their are lots of possibilities though. Get creative.
- vancity787

There is no way in hell we get OEL without including virtanen or horvat. None. If I was Arizona I'd laugh at a lack, Virtanen and kassian offer

I think there are alternatives that would work. Maybe by adding a pick. If it came down to getting rid of one of Virtanen or Boho. Fukk that.

Their are lots of possibilities though. Get creative.
- vancity787

Exactly. Creativity.

BoHo and Virtanen are going nowhere but there are options for Benning if he is shrewd.

There is no way in hell we get OEL without including virtanen or horvat. None. If I was Arizona I'd laugh at a lack, Virtanen and kassian offer
- Bieksa#3

We don't know how other teams view Lack/Kassian. We have our opinions here in the Canucks fanbase of course but there are more than a few teams willing to take risk on Lack/Kassian.

We don't know how other teams view Lack/Kassian. We have our opinions here in the Canucks fanbase of course but there are more than a few teams willing to take risk on Lack/Kassian.
- LordHumungous

Maybe we can trade Lack for McDavid and Markstrom for Eitchel as well. After all we don't know how they are viewed

We don't know how other teams view Lack/Kassian. We have our opinions here in the Canucks fanbase of course but there are more than a few teams willing to take risk on Lack/Kassian.
- LordHumungous

I dont think there is any risk with LAck, Kassian on the other hand.....

Maybe we can trade Lack for McDavid and Markstrom for Eitchel as well. After all we don't know how they are viewed
- Bieksa#3

That's pretty funny actually.

That's pretty funny actually.
- LordHumungous

Just using your trade logic
.

I dont think there is any risk with LAck, Kassian on the other hand.....
- vancity787

Or Markstrom

So you would rather have Gagner and his contract who was traded for a 6th rounder a few months ago. Rather then a 2nd and Doan?
Does that even make sense?
- Bieksa#3

I was just using Gagner to stress my distaste for picking up a player at the end of his career. It is more appealing to me to take a chance on someone younger than it does to do get a guy at the end. Either way you are gambling with your future. Kassian is worth more to us right now than he is to someone else.