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Forums :: Blog World :: Tim Chiasson: Coming To A Swimming Pool Near You: The List of the Embellishment Calls
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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 23 @ 11:01 PM ET
With our games here the refs seem to have agendas that they follow, eg: this week we are going to penalise infraction A & they hammer everyone that does A, but the following week they move on & infraction A no longer is penalised - they move on to B which is ridiculous to say the least.

Is there any process where the refs are letting up on diving after their initial 'right anyone that dives is going to fined & shamed'?

I listen to the Pens games & usually every game I hear commentary of 'academy award winning acting' & NO it's not always for Pens players! so the shame file probably isn't as full as it should be.

But those that commented above about how a penalty is given if there is embellishment - that is 100% correct! no penalty for initial contact just the 2 minutes for diving - should straighten a few players up.
Team_Teal
San Jose Sharks
Location: Benicia, CA
Joined: 04.15.2011

Jan 24 @ 12:47 AM ET
Marchand is a cheap shot and a diver. Always has been since day 1. Don't get butt hurt when he gets called for it. That's cute that Murph told him that to make him feel better, he is a sensitive little poop head.
- mxgsfmdpx


Be that as it may, would love to have him on the Sharks....He gets under the opposition's skin & scores goals....something that a lot of the 3rd & 4th liners can't do...
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 24 @ 9:52 AM ET
With our games here the refs seem to have agendas that they follow, eg: this week we are going to penalise infraction A & they hammer everyone that does A, but the following week they move on & infraction A no longer is penalised - they move on to B which is ridiculous to say the least.

Is there any process where the refs are letting up on diving after their initial 'right anyone that dives is going to fined & shamed'?

I listen to the Pens games & usually every game I hear commentary of 'academy award winning acting' & NO it's not always for Pens players! so the shame file probably isn't as full as it should be.

But those that commented above about how a penalty is given if there is embellishment - that is 100% correct! no penalty for initial contact just the 2 minutes for diving - should straighten a few players up.

- Aussiepenguin



What if the initial call is high sticking? How is a ref supposed to not call it? I think it should be the opposite. Only call diving if no initial infraction takes place. There are ample opportunities, but almost always an embellishment penalty comes with another penalty that evens it up.
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 24 @ 10:28 AM ET
Not a chance.
How dare you put his name in the same sentence as Kesler and Brown.

- camfor



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/...hS2yE/s1600/hossadive.gif

http://i.imgur.com/FS8kxMz.gif

http://giant.gfycat.com/S...termAdolescentFlicker.gif

He's also been fined twice for diving in the past.
GarySF
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.29.2015

Jan 29 @ 2:13 PM ET
An open letter to the NHL : Your embellishing policy makes no sense. https://www.linkedin.com/...hockey-league-gary-frisch

Dear National Hockey League,

I have been an avid hockey fan for 34 years. I was also an English major in college, and make a living in a career heavily reliant on writing and the use of language.

You recently fined Cal Clutterbuck of the N.Y. Islanders for his second embellishment penalty, as you’ve done with a handful of players this season. In Clutterbuck’s case, Jakub Voracek of the Flyers also received a hooking call on the play.

Now, I’m all in favor of having an embellishment penalty. Although overreacting with the express goal of drawing a penalty is a grand tradition in hockey, it is dishonest and delays the game, and there’s clearly a need to crack down on players who do it.

But I think you’re taking this whole embellishment thing a little too far, and here’s why. An embellishing penalty must be mutually exclusive of any other penalty to an opposing player on that same play. This is by definition. How can you say a player is “embellishing” when, you’re officially declaring that the other player in fact hooked, tripped, slashed or high-sticked Player A?

This makes zero sense. Nada. It is intellectually flawed. It is like claiming a Mobius Strip has two sides. If your ref is going to call a hook, he cannot turn around and say the violated player exaggerated his reaction. Why not? Because by doing so he’s agreeing that Player A has, in fact, been violated. And if the referee truly believes Player A is overreacting, then he cannot properly call Player B for an offense that created a “false” reaction. On the other hand, if the referee falls for that overreaction, then he should penalize Player B, rightfully or not, and in doing so can’t claim that Player A’s response was overblown.

By penalizing both players, it’s like the referee is saying, “I don’t for one minute believe you were hooked/slashed/tripped that badly, but I’ll give the offender the penalty anyway.” That’s just idiotic.

The same thought process applies even if you claim that the embellisher is completely hamming up his reaction. If he is, then, yes, he is obviously trying to draw a penalty on the opposing player. But by assessing that hooking or slashing penalty, the referee is publicly acknowledging that the actor’s performance worked. Again, that just makes the referee – and by extension, you, the league – look stupid.

So have your referees continue to give out penalties for clear cases of embellishment, but don’t hedge your bet by saying that there was a legitimate penalty that drew that response. You can’t have it both ways.

Sincerely,
Gary Frisch
GarySF
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.29.2015

Jan 29 @ 2:16 PM ET
What I have never understood is embellishment diving calls always are washed with the original call against the other team. How does this make sense? If the player dives or embellishes the penalty then why is there a penalty in the first place? Sure seems if the NHL really wants to get this crap out of the game then shouldn't the "divers" truly be penalized. Now this season may have been different in terms of the offsetting calls but given the NHL's history I have my doubts
- uf1910

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