Ramo isn't really much of an upgrade over Hutton if he is at all. There really shouldn't be a controversy. Send Ortio back down. He's been great for 4 games but both Hiller and Ramo have looked as good or better for stretches this year. I don't really see much of a market for Ramo or Hiller this year and they're better off finishing the year with both of them.
- Hunkulese

How can you put it so simply? Why would you send Ortio down if he continues to give the team the best chance to win? Especially in the middle of such a close playoff race. You're crazy!

*cough* kipper *cough*
Hiller=Turek
January=January

Anyways I am super excited for TSpoon to return. He seems like a legit 2nd line D and we needed a Regehr for a while.

If it pans flip Wideman at the td when stock is high.
- FLflames34

You crazy? Why would you trade Wideman now? He's the perfect second pairing D man??? Are all you guys losing your marbles?

Before signing with Flames Rämö has said that he isn't interested playing as a back up in the NHL if he could play as a no 1 goalie in the KHL. Sure, I don't know if his mind set has changed or how lucrative KHL is with current Russia economic situation. But I don't think resigning him is just a matter of Flames front office. He will assess his possibilities. (Yeah, being captain obvious on the latter part.)

You are
A) assuming you can re-sign Ramo - he may earn more overseas
B) assuming two unproven quantities at the NHL is what you want for a playoff run. I would rather chance Hiller in the playoffs than Ramo

It is impossible to say that Ramo is better than Hiller, it just is. Hiller was a HUGE reason the Flames got off to a good start this year, the rotation helped, but he was lights out for a good chunk of the start of the season. Ramo has played far fewer NHL games than Hiller, so to say he is better is not proven. Ramo has let in some softies this year as well, neither he nor Hiller are perfect #1 options, both have had great runs and some horrible games.

Ortio is not a lock either, but I would rather see him fight for games in place of Ramo right now, he is younger and is showing maturity and a great compete level and the team is rallying around him.
- rmull905

To both your comments: Your points a and b. Ramo wants to be in the NHL. That's why he left the KHL money in the 1st place. As for a playoff run, as awesome as that would be, it shouldn't be the final goal. It would be a learning experience for the team. Growth. That includes, potentially, Ramo. He can grow with the team. He can use that experience to spring board into being better. Hiller is what he is. As for back ups always being available, we don't need a simple 15-20 game BU. we need a potential 1A for when/if Ortio faulters. He's still going to be growing into that role. He's been awesome, and I've been excited about him for years, but it's only 4 (frank)ing games.

To both your comments: Your points a and b. Ramo wants to be in the NHL. That's why he left the KHL money in the 1st place. As for a playoff run, as awesome as that would be, it shouldn't be the final goal. It would be a learning experience for the team. Growth. That includes, potentially, Ramo. He can grow with the team. He can use that experience to spring board into being better. Hiller is what he is. As for back ups always being available, we don't need a simple 15-20 game BU. we need a potential 1A for when/if Ortio faulters. He's still going to be growing into that role. He's been awesome, and I've been excited about him for years, but it's only 4 (frank)ing games.
- TandA4Flames

Agree with all of this. I think we should be ecstatic to be in a position to have these kinds of discussions. We are still firmly in a rebuild yet we are relevant and competitive. The league respects our franchise for both our on ice product, and the off ice team making all the magic possible. I say Ortio needs to earn a spot on the big club, and to do that his body of work must be in proportion to Ramo's clip at least. If he can pull a Kipprusoff and steal the net, good on him. Worrying about Hiller should be the least of our concern going forward, nice to have him stabilize our pipe situation this year but he is expendable nevertheless.

To both your comments: Your points a and b. Ramo wants to be in the NHL. That's why he left the KHL money in the 1st place. As for a playoff run, as awesome as that would be, it shouldn't be the final goal. It would be a learning experience for the team. Growth. That includes, potentially, Ramo. He can grow with the team. He can use that experience to spring board into being better. Hiller is what he is. As for back ups always being available, we don't need a simple 15-20 game BU. we need a potential 1A for when/if Ortio faulters. He's still going to be growing into that role. He's been awesome, and I've been excited about him for years, but it's only 4 (frank)ing games.
- TandA4Flames

I agree...we don't need a backup, we need someone who can play 50 games if needed. I guess the question would be, is that person Hiller or Ramo? I like Ramo, but can he be relied upon if he ends up having to play 50 games? I think the jury is still out. I think if you ask most people they would say Hiller is the safest bet. But still, I would hate to give up on the potential of Ramo. As many of you have said, we know what we have in Hiller.

EDIT: One of the Leafs fans said earlier in the thread that the Flames should be floating both tenders out there to see what they can get. I think he's on the right track. Dangle them both and see what kind of offers you get. That might be the determining factor in this all.

Ortio to start tonight vs the Ducks

One of the Leafs fans said earlier in the thread that the Flames should be floating both tenders out there to see what they can get. I think he's on the right track. Dangle them both and see what kind of offers you get. That might be the determining factor in this all.
- The-O-G

Absolutely. If one of them, either one, could bring in a good return (prospect and a 2nd?) you do it. I really think Ortio should stay up the rest of the season to see how he does and, if he does well, given a shot at being the #1 next year, even if it ends up being a 1A/B with either Ramo or Hiller (or someone else entirely). This is a team that should be trying to make the playoffs, sure, but its focus should still be long-term. Hiller is a stop-gap and expendable for the right price. Ramo is still somewhat of an unknown but I think we're starting to see his ceiling as a 1B or very solid backup.

I'd be very comfortable going into next season with Ortio and Ramo, if they can re sign Ramo for a good price. I see no reason to keep Hiller beyond his current contract and would be happy to see him traded for the right price. I think both the Flames and Hiller came into this contract with the vision of Hiller re-establishing himself as an NHL starter with the option of moving him to a team with a need for veteran starter at some point. His value is higher this year because of the extra year at a relatively reasonable price.

Not sure what game, or if you even watched the LA game, but it was an exellent back and forth game. Good chances good goaltending, playoff type atmosther. And not sure who was doing the shot count in the game but the flames had alot more the they counted. But really who cares w won. ( excepts corsi dorks).as far as goaltending good prob to have personally i like ramo more and hiller will get us more of a return.keep it up boys!!

Not sure what game, or if you even watched the LA game, but it was an exellent back and forth game. Good chances good goaltending, playoff type atmosther. And not sure who was doing the shot count in the game but the flames had alot more the they counted. But really who cares w won. ( excepts corsi dorks).as far as goaltending good prob to have personally i like ramo more and hiller will get us more of a return.keep it up boys!!
- Werdnaknows

Agree on the shot count in LA. I was watching the LA feed that had the shots on screen the entire game and it was funny how few Flames shots registered in the first half of the game.

Colin Dambrauskas: Calgary Flames Keep Rolling...Goalie Controversy?
- Colin Dambrauskas

Oh, and that rookie Sean Monahan. He looked great.

Ha.

I must have really left an impression hey ... calling him a rookie sounds retarded but go ahead maybe him and Yak ( Only a little over 2 years in the league) can have some magic on the all rookie team this year ... Isn't there something Leaf related you should be playing reporter over?

ramo hasn't been out since december 8th...

I must have really left an impression hey ... calling him a rookie sounds retarded but go ahead maybe him and Yak ( Only a little over 2 years in the league) can have some magic on the all rookie team this year ... Isn't there something Leaf related you should be playing reporter over?
- DinoRondelly

Still looking for internet fights to pass the time?? Might be time for a new job Dino!

Simple, solve a bunch of Oiler problems & trade Hiller & Reinhart to them for their 1st pick.

Still looking for internet fights to pass the time?? Might be time for a new job Dino!
- The-O-G

I don't think so bud having a job that allows me to pretty much do what I want either means I run ish or I'm fantastic at my job, I'll let you figure it out .

Colin is a big boy I'm sure he doesn't need the likes of you to defend what he puts out in a public forum.

Haha...and who appointed you the public forum police?? I don't give a poop if Colin writes "the earth is flat" or "DinoRondely is smart", who (frank)ing cares!

What you don't understand is you two weren't even talking about the same thing. Colin understands that Monahan isn't technically a rookie, but you still want to drag him through the mud over it.

Get over yourself bro!


- The-O-G

But yet you care what I write ?

I'm not convinced the team makes a trade in net unless they are offered a decent return. Most good teams around the league have a third string goalie that can come up and give you a chance. Ortio is the future for sure and ride the hot hand while we can. Not convinced we'll trade away that insurance of three good goalies while we're in the hunt.

So I was thinking about needs around the league what do you guys think of a trade like:

Arizona

Yandle
Gormley

For

Calgary

2015 1st round pick
Baertschi
Ramo
Potter

I really hate putting the 1st and Baertschi in play but they need offense and if they are going into a rebuild/retooling they will need 1st's. Potter can draw in and be a serviceable player to finish out the season in their quest for Conor or Jack. Ramo can battle Smith for minutes. All 3 Flames are in their contract year so they can decide which ones fit into their system.

If they could sign Gormley to a contract extension and work a contract out for Yandle next year that would solidify the Flames defense for years to come.



Huddler, Monahan, Shore
Gaudreau, Backlund, Bennet
Granlund, Jooris, Colbourne
Bolig, Stajan, Bouma

Giordano, Brody
Yandle, Wideman
Gormley, Smid

Hiller
Ortio

But yet you care what I write ?
- DinoRondelly

I just don't get how you can be so brain dead.

So I was thinking about needs around the league what do you guys think of a trade like:

Arizona

Yandle
Gormley

For

Calgary

2015 1st round pick
Baertschi
Ramo
Potter

I really hate putting the 1st and Baertschi in play but they need offense and if they are going into a rebuild/retooling they will need 1st's. Potter can draw in and be a serviceable player to finish out the season in their quest for Conor or Jack. Ramo can battle Smith for minutes. All 3 Flames are in their contract year so they can decide which ones fit into their system.

If they could sign Gormley to a contract extension and work a contract out for Yandle next year that would solidify the Flames defense for years to come.



Huddler, Monahan, Shore
Gaudreau, Backlund, Bennet
Granlund, Jooris, Colbourne
Bolig, Stajan, Bouma

Giordano, Brody
Yandle, Wideman
Gormley, Smid

Hiller
Ortio
- buddy_doug

Hmmm....that's actually not too bad!

I don't think so bud having a job that allows me to pretty much do what I want either means I run ish or I'm fantastic at my job, I'll let you figure it out .

Colin is a big boy I'm sure he doesn't need the likes of you to defend what he puts out in a public forum.
- DinoRondelly

if your job is fixing the "." button on keyboards. its definitely not the latter.

But yet you care what I write ?
- DinoRondelly

I love what you write. It makes me chuckle when Oiler trolls make themselves look like idiots.
And you do it with moxie, my friend.

No more Monday excuses Colin! Ramo was injured this month, not last, but im sure thats what u meant , and I dont think there is any sort of controversy. Once Ramo is back, send Ortio down, problem solved. Not a Jooris, Granlund type of situation i guess where hes battling for a forward spot, + Orts has played great cause he wants to set an impression, which he has..... To battle as a starter for next season. So unless we trade either Hiller or Ramo, (i'd prefer we keep Ramo), it will be nice for Ortio to get some revenge for his early playoff exit last season. And dont worry, sometimes i consider Year 2 players rookies as well. Years 3-5 is when they really breakout. For Sean i can see it being next year, and then 30 goals for sure in Years 4-10

I just don't get how you can be so brain dead.
- The-O-G

How am I brain dead ? Because he is calling a second year player a rookie and I said hey wait that's misleading he isn't a rookie. Then we go back and forth for a bit and the very next blog he references the fact that someone called him out on it. I comment and then for some strange reason captain save a blogger comes along ??

So I was thinking about needs around the league what do you guys think of a trade like:

Arizona

Yandle
Gormley

For

Calgary

2015 1st round pick
Baertschi
Ramo
Potter

I really hate putting the 1st and Baertschi in play but they need offense and if they are going into a rebuild/retooling they will need 1st's. Potter can draw in and be a serviceable player to finish out the season in their quest for Conor or Jack. Ramo can battle Smith for minutes. All 3 Flames are in their contract year so they can decide which ones fit into their system.

If they could sign Gormley to a contract extension and work a contract out for Yandle next year that would solidify the Flames defense for years to come.



Huddler, Monahan, Shore
Gaudreau, Backlund, Bennet
Granlund, Jooris, Colbourne
Bolig, Stajan, Bouma

Giordano, Brody
Yandle, Wideman
Gormley, Smid

Hiller
Ortio
- buddy_doug

You replaced our alternate captain (Russell) with Yandle? Hes not getting 8 mil here, and he wants to be a top pairing defensemen, so no, just no