To BOS: Phillips
To OTT: 2nd round pick

To West Team: Neil
To OTT: 2nd round pick + prospect

it can DEF happen (GMs are inquiring)

Edit: they have to waive though
- AlfieisKing

you're dreaming my friend....neither one is CLOSE to worth that

you're dreaming my friend....neither one is CLOSE to worth that
- sensarmy_11

disagree . You don't think if those guys healthy and being shopped at the deadline (with 1 year left). leaders, vets that have played in the finals, performed big in the playoffs - I think there's a market. Neil especially

Man, How many times must Gryba ice the puck for no reason?

Because Curtis is 20 as of Feb 2nd could they not send him to the AHL after that date? Much better option if possible
- redcanman

No, it's their age at the start of the season that counts, doesn't matter when they turn 20.

To BOS: Phillips
To OTT: 2nd round pick

To West Team: Neil
To OTT: 2nd round pick + prospect

it can DEF happen (GMs are inquiring)

Edit: they have to waive though
- AlfieisKing

LMAO!

You thinking Murray has done a bad job makes so much more sense now, knowing you think these are even remotely possible.

To BOS: Phillips
To OTT: 2nd round pick

To West Team: Neil
To OTT: 2nd round pick + prospect

it can DEF happen (GMs are inquiring)

Edit: they have to waive though
- AlfieisKing

Ridiculous. Neither Phillips or Neil would bring anything close to that return.

Great hockey game. Outstanding entertainment. Love this team.

LMAO!

You thinking Murray has done a bad job makes so much more sense now, knowing you think these are even remotely possible.
- TommyDeVito

You honestly make no sense. I'll get back to the people that think Phillips or Neil can't bring that return around trade deadline.

Secondly I don't think Murray's done a "bad job"; he hasn't been able to do it - bottom line. You want to make excuses for that then ok. If you "ok" with being average then that says everything right there. I'll pull up trades that will show you; when it comes to trade deadline time, players like these go up dramatically. Again pending UFAs hands down could get a 2nd round pick

Off the top of my head -- Andy sutton comes to mind.

CAL 2014 2nd-round pick <> COL Reto Berra, G
PHX 2014 2nd-round pick <> CHI David Rundblad, D Mathieu Brisebois
SJ 2nd round + 6th round pick <> COL D Brad Stuart

Chris Phillips to BOS to play with Zdeno Chara and Chris Kelly. It makes tons of sense and if it's a cost of a 2nd I can certainly see Peter C doing it; at the very least a 3rd and another pick

Chris Neil -- dean brown has already made it clear that teams from the west are interested (among many others) off this crappy team he'd be a great piece to add for the short team (atleast murray could sell it with ease)

why do blind people keep thinking this team is heading for greatness. It's so delusional. Yes they have good pieces but who are the MVPieces? Karlsson.. Lazar...Ryan....then? No 1st liners so people need to open their eyes

why do blind people keep thinking this team is heading for greatness. It's so delusional. Yes they have good pieces but who are the MVPieces? Karlsson.. Lazar...Ryan....then? No 1st liners so people need to open their eyes
- AlfieisKing

1st liners? Clutch scorers? We don't need no stinkin' top line talent. Pffffft! You fail to see the genius of management in doing the exact opposite of what makes sense like George Castanza tried, and great things will happen.

On pace to miss the playoffs by 20 points? Declare this is a playoff team!

Guys who never were good or were good but are now beaten up and on their last legs? Sign 'em for top dollar for several years!

A tank job might get you the top liners you desperately need? Shoot for the playoffs and come in 10th last and draft yet more 2nd line talent. It's worked so well for the Leafs for forty years, why can't we use this system to rise to the top?

You just lack the wisdom of the true Deep Thinkers around you on the board. The same sort of genius is leading Ontario to the promised land as we speak, one windmill contract at a time!

^. lol. didn't sense the tone the first time reading.

Murray did a good job in 2011 getting all those picks and drafting who he did. The 24 months after that were awesome. Even if they didn't make the playoffs; fun hockey, great to go to games, prospects were developing, AHL champs are coming to the big club, silfverberg is mvp over in Swede. As soon as we traded Bishop I think some of the wrong decisions starting being made:

the biggest one is over-valuing the team [which made it to round 2 of the playoffs] and thinking the team was ready to make "that jump" (from rebuild mode to maturing mode/playoff spot contender). It wouldn't surprise me if the Sens make the playoffs next year and it wouldn't if they miss again

1st liners? Clutch scorers? We don't need no stinkin' top line talent. Pffffft! You fail to see the genius of management in doing the exact opposite of what makes sense like George Castanza tried, and great things will happen.

On pace to miss the playoffs by 20 points? Declare this is a playoff team!

Guys who never were good or were good but are now beaten up and on their last legs? Sign 'em for top dollar for several years!

A tank job might get you the top liners you desperately need? Shoot for the playoffs and come in 10th last and draft yet more 2nd line talent. It's worked so well for the Leafs for forty years, why can't we use this system to rise to the top?

You just lack the wisdom of the true Deep Thinkers around you on the board. The same sort of genius is leading Ontario to the promised land as we speak, one windmill contract at a time!
- WillieAA

The beat up guys signed are only on one-three year deals.

The reason the leafs were always terrible was not because they finished 10th, it's because they missed on every single pick.

go ahead, look at the drafts each year and see how many awesome players were missed after that spot.

Your problem is you only see two ways to win: Spend to the cap on whoever is available (how's that working out, toronto?) or tank unabashedly to get one 18 year old kid you think will turn the whole roster around (how's that working out, Edmonton?)

Great hockey game. Outstanding entertainment. Love this team.
- spatso

Agreed, Spatso.

I'm loving how this team is playing lately - which is really well, a fact that seems to be lost on the "fans" around here who only ever seem to care about whether or not the W from the night before was secured.

disagree . You don't think if those guys healthy and being shopped at the deadline (with 1 year left). leaders, vets that have played in the finals, performed big in the playoffs - I think there's a market. Neil especially
- AlfieisKing

i didn't say there wasn't a market........but you're dreaming if you think phillips is worth more than like a 5th rd pick, especially considering he has term left.

and neil....maybe he fetches you like a 3rd, but certainly not a 2nd AND a prospect.

your idea of what our players, especially our worthless vet players, are worth is WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY off.

Agreed, Spatso.

I'm loving how this team is playing lately - which is really well, a fact that seems to be lost on the "fans" around here who only ever seem to care about whether or not the W from the night before was secured.
- TommyDeVito

i agree 100%. what is happening right now is ideal. the young "key" guys for the future of the team are playing well and coming along nicely, the team as a whole is playing pretty well, and we're still losing games and falling in the standings. it's exactly what i hoped would happen, and hope continues.

falling in the stands is great, but not if you do it like the oil or the leafs.....by just mailing it in and playing like absolute horse poop every game.......this team is "tanking" the right way.....if there's such a thing

i agree 100%. what is happening right now is ideal. the young "key" guys for the future of the team are playing well and coming along nicely, the team as a whole is playing pretty well, and we're still losing games and falling in the standings. it's exactly what i hoped would happen, and hope continues.

falling in the stands is great, but not if you do it like the oil or the leafs.....by just mailing it in and playing like absolute horse poop every game.......this team is "tanking" the right way.....if there's such a thing
- sensarmy_11

This really is a sweet spot for the Sens. If the draft were held today they would be looking at Mitch Marner or Strome or Crouse or anyone of two or three very highly regarded DMen.

Sometimes the decision to do nothing is a strong positive affirmation of what already exists.

I thought Pageau was Ottawa's best center last night. He is playing some outstanding minutes in a fourth line role. Last night his line played third line in a three line rotation over the second half of the game.

This really is a sweet spot for the Sens. If the draft were held today they would be looking at Mitch Marner or Strome or Crouse or anyone of two or three very highly regarded DMen.

Sometimes the decision to do nothing is a strong positive affirmation of what already exists.

I thought Pageau was Ottawa's best center last night. He is playing some outstanding minutes in a fourth line role. Last night his line played third line in a three line rotation over the second half of the game.
- spatso

i have no idea.....didn't see the game.

i'm just outside toronto for a military course, and out of the TSN 5 zone. can't see any games.

we only have the military intranet here too....so i can't even stream.

i agree 100%. what is happening right now is ideal. the young "key" guys for the future of the team are playing well and coming along nicely, the team as a whole is playing pretty well, and we're still losing games and falling in the standings. it's exactly what i hoped would happen, and hope continues.

falling in the stands is great, but not if you do it like the oil or the leafs.....by just mailing it in and playing like absolute horse poop every game.......this team is "tanking" the right way.....if there's such a thing
- sensarmy_11

Seems like the team is making a habit of
Losing. The scary thing is there is no
More talent in the system - we don't have anyone drafted that can be better then anyone on our roster (except maybe Wideman for Gryba but giving up a ton of size)

I don't even want to watch them play Toronto - just expecting the worst

i agree 100%. what is happening right now is ideal. the young "key" guys for the future of the team are playing well and coming along nicely, the team as a whole is playing pretty well, and we're still losing games and falling in the standings. it's exactly what i hoped would happen, and hope continues.

falling in the stands is great, but not if you do it like the oil or the leafs.....by just mailing it in and playing like absolute horse poop every game.......this team is "tanking" the right way.....if there's such a thing
- sensarmy_11

I'm always baffled by statements like this. We are playing well, we are loosing, and falling in the standing, and this combo is seen as a good thing? We are playing our best and that isn't good enough? Loosing is loosing no matter how you look at it. The only positive from our loosing compared to some other teams like Edmonton and Toronto is that it's not hard to figure out what we need to get better. Game changing top line forwards and a top 3 defenceman or two. Other teams need more pieces.

I'm always baffled by statements like this. We are playing well, we are loosing, and falling in the standing, and this combo is seen as a good thing? We are playing our best and that isn't good enough? Loosing is loosing no matter how you look at it. The only positive from our loosing compared to some other teams like Edmonton and Toronto is that it's not hard to figure out what we need to get better. Game changing top line forwards and a top 3 defenceman or two. Other teams need more pieces.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I'd say our biggest need is attitude, we have a soft team. Not that they don't try hard but when the games are on the line or when the game is there for the taking we don't seem to come through

The will to win is this teams biggest need - an ultra competitive player (Alfie) who's comes with the Mental and emotional maturity to lead.

We need leadership on this team. I think we have the nicest team in the NHL - we need a player who accepts the challenge of winning and doesn't wilt when the pressure is on

Go Sens

Agreed, Spatso.

I'm loving how this team is playing lately - which is really well, a fact that seems to be lost on the "fans" around here who only ever seem to care about whether or not the W from the night before was secured.
- TommyDeVito

I agree with most of this, but I think putting scare quotes around the word "fans" is a bit harsh... People are entitled to want the team to win, weird to think that disqualifies them from being real fans...

I'd say our biggest need is attitude, we have a soft team. Not that they don't try hard but when the games are on the line or when the game is there for the taking we don't seem to come through

The will to win is this teams biggest need - an ultra competitive player (Alfie) who's comes with the Mental and emotional maturity to lead.

We need leadership on this team. I think we have the nicest team in the NHL - we need a player who accepts the challenge of winning and doesn't wilt when the pressure is on
- tuna99

I don't necessarily disagree. I think that leadership will come if we get one or two more game changing forwards. I don't think we necessarily need a "nasty" team, but it would be nice to get a younger Chris Neil.

I'm always baffled by statements like this. We are playing well, we are loosing, and falling in the standing, and this combo is seen as a good thing? We are playing our best and that isn't good enough? Loosing is loosing no matter how you look at it. The only positive from our loosing compared to some other teams like Edmonton and Toronto is that it's not hard to figure out what we need to get better. Game changing top line forwards and a top 3 defenceman or two. Other teams need more pieces.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Yeah, oddly enough I disagree with you here, Gord. Weird, I know!

This team is playing decently and, for the most part, either a) making a critical mistake or two or b) just not getting the bounces, or c) all of the above.

If bad bounces and a few critical mistakes get us a good draft choice this year, then so much the better... The bad bounces will even themselves out eventually, while experience will help many of our younger players to commit fewer errors. All while allowing the Senators to pick up one of those piece we need so desperately at the draft.

Yeah, oddly enough I disagree with you here, Gord. Weird, I know!

This team is playing decently and, for the most part, either a) making a critical mistake or two or b) just not getting the bounces, or c) all of the above.

If bad bounces and a few critical mistakes get us a good draft choice this year, then so much the better... The bad bounces will even themselves out eventually, while experience will help many of our younger players to commit fewer errors. All while allowing the Senators to pick up one of those piece we need so desperately at the draft.
- Mr_Clean

I think this take assuming that we are just having bad luck and that will even out down the line. How many "bad bounces" will it take for people to realize that maybe this collection of players just doesn't have the finish we had hoped. How many "critical mistakes" will it take to realize a guys development has not gone according to plan? I get the young player excuse, but how long does that apply for guys like Cowen, Turris, Chaisson, Zibby, etc. Guys who have played in the NHL for a good length of time.

I'm all for getting a great player at the draft, but I'm a little hesitant to say that us finishing near the bottom is a good thing overall. May mean we require even more pieces than we thought.

All in all, I don't mind where this team is going in the long run. However, at some point, the loosing has to stop. I'll never be a guy to say we are loosing, but playing well, so that's fine, over a course of a season. Defeats the purpose of winning in my opinion.

At least everyone seems to be on the same page that we need more players that are undisputed 1st line quality.

Yeah, oddly enough I disagree with you here, Gord. Weird, I know!

This team is playing decently and, for the most part, either a) making a critical mistake or two or b) just not getting the bounces, or c) all of the above.

If bad bounces and a few critical mistakes get us a good draft choice this year, then so much the better... The bad bounces will even themselves out eventually, while experience will help many of our younger players to commit fewer errors. All while allowing the Senators to pick up one of those piece we need so desperately at the draft.
- Mr_Clean

this is pretty much what i mean.

our team isn't losing because they're terrible and the whole team is a giant cluster(frank) (leafs, oilers)....they're losing because of 1 or 2 mistakes being capitalized on, or the other teams goalies having a career game.

and more importantly, the mistakes are usually made by guys that we expect to make the mistakes, and don't factor into the long term plans of this team (phillips, legwand, gryba, etc).

you can't look at losing as black and white, IMO. unless you're tuna, and every loss means you need to drop a nuclear bomb on CTC and ensure that murray is at the center of the mushroom cloud.