He's gone from the GM position.
- jmatchett383

Hextall's had a rough going so far as GM. He was put into a bad situation though with so many unmoveable contracts. I feel like Hextall's reign as GM won't truly start for another 3-4 years when a lot of contracts start coming off the books. I mean some of the contracts on your team are literally unmoveable.

What do you think about Couturier? Shutdown 2/3C with 50 point ceiling or can he turn into a 65 point center?

I wouldn't say it was worth it just to lose in 5 games in the SCF. It's worth it if he ends up being a key part of a Cup win. But that's why I brought up Pronger. The trade wasn't " worth it from 09/10 alone." Had he continued playing and led them to a Cup, then it would be.
- jmatchett383

To me there is a difference of being satisfied how a trade worked out for a team, compared to how the season finished. The Rangers don't sniff the finals last year without MSL. Maybe no one else shares the same feeling but I am extremely satisfied with the trade.

Well if you're gonna bring up the trade and what picks are going where, I'm gonna be objective and point out where the picks are actually going.

Again, for the 5th time, I am not saying it's a bad trade, simply that one run to the SCF where you go 1-4 should not make the trade worth it. Which was what I initially responded to.
- jmatchett383

Its funny how every Ranger fan on this board (except Old School) liked the trade. The only people who say its was bad trade is fans from other teams.

Same as the Staal signing. I like how 4 useless bloggers of other teams all said it was a bad signing. Staal is an average defensemen? HA! Idiots

Hextall's had a rough going so far as GM. He was put into a bad situation though with so many unmoveable contracts. I feel like Hextall's reign as GM won't truly start for another 3-4 years when a lot of contracts start coming off the books. I mean some of the contracts on your team are literally unmoveable.

What do you think about Couturier? Shutdown 2/3C with 50 point ceiling or can he turn into a 65 point center?
- RAGSareDANGERus

AMac, Lecavalier, and Umberger are basically unmoveable. Grossmann, Luke Schenn, and to a lesser extent, Streit are hard to move. Pronger, as well, although the Flyers get full-value LTIR allowance for him (or as close as they can get) and could actually trade him next year. But yeah, Hextall's hands are more or less tied at the moment.

To me there is a difference of being satisfied how a trade worked out for a team, compared to how the season finished. The Rangers don't sniff the finals last year without MSL. Maybe no one else shares the same feeling but I am extremely satisfied with the trade.
- TPC

Yea I mean if you base any trade on "did you win the SCF as a result of it?" then 99% of the trades in the NHL were losses for both teams.

Did this trade make the Rangers a better team? Yes, it did. Are the Rangers still a better team? Yes, they are.

The bottom line is that with Lundqvist on the wrong side of 30 and a lot of our homegrown players getting raises and talent needing to be cut this summer, next summer, and the following summer due to the salary cap, we need to give ourselves the best chance to win now. And MSL does that for us over Cally and 2 1st rounders.

Its funny how every Ranger fan on this board (except Old School) liked the trade. The only people who say its was bad trade is fans from other teams.

Same as the Staal signing. I like how 4 useless bloggers of other teams all said it was a bad signing. Staal is an average defensemen? HA! Idiots

- tbreinold

I think the Staal signing was a good one. He doesn't do anything flashy, but he's very solid. Anyone who says otherwise is an advanced stats snob.

And again, I didn't say it was a bad trade.

AMac, Lecavalier, and Umberger are basically unmoveable. Grossmann, Luke Schenn, and to a lesser extent, Streit are hard to move. Pronger, as well, although the Flyers get full-value LTIR allowance for him (or as close as they can get) and could actually trade him next year. But yeah, Hextall's hands are more or less tied at the moment.
- jmatchett383

question, why dont the flyers trade Couts and B Schenn, along with a bad contract? they wont get anywhere near fair value back, but they can get out of a horrible contract and finally start to have some cap flexibility. like a Vinny with B Schenn trade would prob net you something like a 1st and a roster player. horrible value back for Shenn but you also moved Vinny's contract... just my opinion. nothing worse than a bad unmoveable contract.

question, why dont the flyers trade Couts and B Schenn, along with a bad contract? they wont get anywhere near fair value back, but they can get out of a horrible contract and finally start to have some cap flexibility. like a Vinny with B Schenn trade would prob net you something like a 1st and a roster player. horrible value back for Shenn but you also moved Vinny's contract... just my opinion. nothing worse than a bad unmoveable contract.
- richardson30

Because Vinny has a full NMC and won't accept a trade to any team not a contender and no contender will want his contract on the books.

question, why dont the flyers trade Couts and B Schenn, along with a bad contract? they wont get anywhere near fair value back, but they can get out of a horrible contract and finally start to have some cap flexibility. like a Vinny with B Schenn trade would prob net you something like a 1st and a roster player. horrible value back for Shenn but you also moved Vinny's contract... just my opinion. nothing worse than a bad unmoveable contract.
- richardson30

If they could trade B Schenn for a first in this draft, and trade Vinny (NMC notwithstanding), I'd be 100% down for it. But no team will do that, and Vinny would have to agree to it (which he probably would). Moving Couturier, one of the best defensive players in the league, at 21 and one a good deal, just to remove a bad hit, would not go over well. Their only course of action is patience.

Anyway, I didn't get to see the game last night, but you guys seem to match up pretty well with Pittsburgh. Was the game as one-sided as the score made it look?

Anyway, I didn't get to see the game last night, but you guys seem to match up pretty well with Pittsburgh. Was the game as one-sided as the score made it look?
- jmatchett383

I thought we definitely outplayed them but Lundqvist was key as well as us getting a few lucky bounces. Nash scored 26 seconds into the game and that basically set the tone of the game.

We did take 3 penalties in the 1st and allowed them to come back into it but overall, it was a complete game by the boys.

I thought we definitely outplayed them but Lundqvist was key as well as us getting a few lucky bounces. Nash scored 26 seconds into the game and that basically set the tone of the game.

We did take 3 penalties in the 1st and allowed them to come back into it but overall, it was a complete game by the boys.
- RAGSareDANGERus

What's the general feeling on Nash? I know he gets a ton of goals and is a pretty good 2-way player, but I always feel there's something missing when I compare him to other top players. It's the same reason I don't like RNH. I actually think it may be the way he skates, almost looks lazy (but I'm sure it just looks that way). Again, he's obviously a very good player, but he just seems somewhat lacking.

What's the general feeling on Nash? I know he gets a ton of goals and is a pretty good 2-way player, but I always feel there's something missing when I compare him to other top players. It's the same reason I don't like RNH. I actually think it may be the way he skates, almost looks lazy (but I'm sure it just looks that way). Again, he's obviously a very good player, but he just seems somewhat lacking.
- jmatchett383

Nash is a monster. His first season in NY, he was everything he was advertised to be and more. Last year was a struggle going all the way back to the early regular season when he got concussed vs Boston, but this year he's a legit Hart trophy contender. Top 5 winger in the world.

Nash is a monster. His first season in NY, he was everything he was advertised to be and more. Last year was a struggle going all the way back to the early regular season when he got concussed vs Boston, but this year he's a legit Hart trophy contender. Top 5 winger in the world.
- RAGSareDANGERus

Okay. I don't get to see him play all that often. Like I say, you can't argue his production at all. I guess he just don't have that "wow" factor that guys like Crosby/Stamkos/Kane have (yes, I can youtube the Phoenix goal, too).

I would agree. Brassard is currently our #1 as he plays with Nash, but Steps is prob #1B. they are interchangable to me. not sure if either are a true #1 though.
- richardson30

please stepan is scoring at a PPG pace and brass will probably hit 70points, the entire hockey world agrees that bergeron is a #1 center, well stepan is as sound defensively (safe for faceoffs) as him and a better point producer IMO, and brass has made everyone around him better since arriving here zucc, pouliot,nash.. all put it together when paired with brass, he may be one off the most underrated players in the nhl

What's the general feeling on Nash? I know he gets a ton of goals and is a pretty good 2-way player, but I always feel there's something missing when I compare him to other top players. It's the same reason I don't like RNH. I actually think it may be the way he skates, almost looks lazy (but I'm sure it just looks that way). Again, he's obviously a very good player, but he just seems somewhat lacking.
- jmatchett383

Hoping you guys destroy the Islanders today. We're within striking distance but they don't seem to lose to divisional opponents. Need them to string a couple losses together.

Hoping you guys destroy the Islanders today. We're within striking distance but they don't seem to lose to divisional opponents. Need them to string a couple losses together.
- RAGSareDANGERus

I'm sure they'll beat us. Just not sure if it will be a 7-1 dismantling or a 3-2 shootout loss.

please stepan is scoring at a PPG pace and brass will probably hit 70points, the entire hockey world agrees that bergeron is a #1 center, well stepan is as sound defensively (safe for faceoffs) as him and a better point producer IMO, and brass has made everyone around him better since arriving here zucc, pouliot,nash.. all put it together when paired with brass, he may be one off the most underrated players in the nhl
- webleedblue

Stepan is good, but he's not as good defensively as Bergeron (who I believe is Boston's 2C after Krejci). That said, I'd call Stepan a 1C.

What's the general feeling on Nash? I know he gets a ton of goals and is a pretty good 2-way player, but I always feel there's something missing when I compare him to other top players. It's the same reason I don't like RNH. I actually think it may be the way he skates, almost looks lazy (but I'm sure it just looks that way). Again, he's obviously a very good player, but he just seems somewhat lacking.
- jmatchett383

Well other than finishing last year(concussion, bad luck?) I have to say I think he's better than he was advertised. Never quits, plays 1st unit PK, goes to the dirty areas, blocks shots, I honestly dont know what else you could ask him to do except play goalie.

I can't think of another teams top scorer who plays in every situation like he does.

Well other than finishing last year(concussion, bad luck?) I have to say I think he's better than he was advertised. Never quits, plays 1st unit PK, goes to the dirty areas, blocks shots, I honestly dont know what else you could ask him to do except play goalie.

I can't think of another teams top scorer who plays in every situation like he does.
- mdw7413

There's a few. Crosby, Giroux, and Zetterberg all play in those situations. Again, I know he's a very good all-around player. I don't know why, just something I don't like about him, dating back to his Columbus days. Same with Joe Thornton. You couldn't argue with the production, but he just seemed lacking.

Edit: Not directly comparing Nash to Thornton.

There's a few. Crosby, Giroux, and Zetterberg all play in those situations. Again, I know he's a very good all-around player. I don't know why, just something I don't like about him, dating back to his Columbus days. Same with Joe Thornton. You couldn't argue with the production, but he just seemed lacking.

Edit: Not directly comparing Nash to Thornton.
- jmatchett383

you don't like Nash, you don't like St. Louis "attitude"

perhaps you don't like players who orchestrate trades to the Rangers

There's a few. Crosby, Giroux, and Zetterberg all play in those situations. Again, I know he's a very good all-around player. I don't know why, just something I don't like about him, dating back to his Columbus days. Same with Joe Thornton. You couldn't argue with the production, but he just seemed lacking.

Edit: Not directly comparing Nash to Thornton.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, was going to edit to add Giroux, I forgot he plays all situations. Can't say I really saw much of him in his Columbus days and maybe that's where he got some of his bad reputation, but as a Ranger, I couldn't be more impressed with how he plays the game.

you don't like Nash, you don't like St. Louis "attitude"

perhaps you don't like players who orchestrate trades to the Rangers
- jimbro83

No, I didn't like MSL when he demanded a trade since his GM didn't pick him for the original Olympic lineup.

But in general, no I don't like Rags' players. I respect some of them, but don't like them.

Edit: I loved the bulk of that 93/94 team. Leetch is one of the best defenseman I've ever seen.

No, I didn't like MSL when he demanded a trade since his GM didn't pick him for the original Olympic lineup.

But in general, no I don't like Rags' players. I respect some of them, but don't like them.

Edit: I loved the bulk of that 93/94 team. Leetch is one of the best defenseman I've ever seen.
- jmatchett383

I prefer that term "requested a trade" over demanded

No, I didn't like MSL when he demanded a trade since his GM didn't pick him for the original Olympic lineup.

But in general, no I don't like Rags' players. I respect some of them, but don't like them.

Edit: I loved the bulk of that 93/94 team. Leetch is one of the best defenseman I've ever seen.
- jmatchett383

I've gotten over this