There are a slew of 28 year old dmen in the NHL who have cap hits of 5 million who are healthy scratches.

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- PLindbergh31

Agreed.
- MJL

Agreed plus 2!

Marner is not 5'8 Dmytro Timashov is
- ob18

But Marner is listed at 164, while Timashov is at 189.

Either way im weary and have been of taking Marner as high as the majority are projecting because of size. Rather weight till the 3rd and take Timashov, while getting a Strome or Zacha with a top 5 pick.

i didn't say that situation isn't unfortunate. but had he been healthy and playing remotely well we'd be kissing his rings for not asking for what we all know he could have gotten.
- black_francis

If Pronger was healthy, the Flyers would still have JVR etc... Any scenario with "if" in it really means nothing.

But Marner is listed at 164, while Timashov is at 189.

Either way im weary and have been of taking Marner as high as the majority are projecting because of size. Rather weight till the 3 and take Timashov.
- Yosimar89

Point? Dylan Strome is listed at 187 just like McDavid

I'm not disagreeing with you. What legitimate number one defenseman are they going to add, that will require them to clear the $2.9mm that an Umberger buyout will open up? Because if they add one, I'm totally onboard with an Umberger buyout.

That's the flaw. Adding another MacDonald or Another Coburn now and giving themselves more dead cap space doesn't help.
- Jsaquella

I agree with you and MJL: A No. 1 defenseman isn't walking through that door. I get that, totally understand it.

But we touched on this yesterday, about Vinny on the fourth line, when we all agreed that the Flyers don't likely have the personnel that Berube would prefer to ice.

They're last on the PK. Find players who can even do that just a little better, and they have maybe, what, 6 more points this season? It's fair to say this PK has cost them at least three games, right?

This team can address needs with Umberger's $2.9 million from a buyout -- I'm not saying that because I hate the guy. I'm saying that because the PK is a tire fire, the fourth line does need to get better (again), and the Flyers need to figure out who is going to play on Couturier's RW.

Maybe you can't fix all of those. But you gotta fix some of those. You have to!

But Marner is listed at 164, while Timashov is at 189.

Either way im weary and have been of taking Marner as high as the majority are projecting because of size. Rather weight till the 3rd and take Timashov, while getting a Strome or Zacha with a top 5 pick.
- Yosimar89

The 5'8" is and will be an issue for a lot of teams, plus this is his first year in North America that like it or not also will be held against him by some teams.

If they trade them and then do not replace them, yes, they are far worse off.

When somebody suggests trading them away without adding a veteran defenseman to replace them, and rushing kids like Morin, Gostisbehere & Sanheim, I will agree with you 100%.

Nobody is suggesting that. I'm saying if you can get a good enough return, then trade them. Go out in free agency with the cap savings, sign short term free agents to bridge the gap. There's some solid guys in FA this summer that can bring most of what Streit does.
- Jsaquella

I think that is selling Streit short as a player. He's on pace for 10 goals and 46 assists, for 56 points. That's stout. Mike Green is probably the only player that might be able to match that. I think it's a false belief that the Flyers can easily find defensman in free agency to replace some of their defenseman, cheaper and for lesser term.

If Pronger was healthy, the Flyers would still have JVR etc... Any scenario with "if" in it really means nothing.
- PLindbergh31

you asked for a player that gave them a discount and his listed one


you really need the Spin Doctors avatar back

But Marner is listed at 164, while Timashov is at 189.

Either way im weary and have been of taking Marner as high as the majority are projecting because of size. Rather weight till the 3rd and take Timashov, while getting a Strome or Zacha with a top 5 pick.
- Yosimar89

Speaking of weight, Embiid is now 300+ pounds! He's the next Shaq baby!

http://www.cbssports.com/...nds-skipping-conditioning

I agree with you and MJL: A No. 1 defenseman isn't walking through that door. I get that, totally understand it.

But we touched on this yesterday, about Vinny on the fourth line, when we all agreed that the Flyers don't likely have the personnel that Berube would prefer to ice.

They're last on the PK. Find players who can even do that just a little better, and they have maybe, what, 6 more points this season? It's fair to say this PK has cost them at least three games, right?

This team can address needs with Umberger's $2.9 million from a buyout -- I'm not saying that because I hate the guy. I'm saying that because the PK is a tire fire, the fourth line does need to get better (again), and the Flyers need to figure out who is going to play on Couturier's RW.

Maybe you can't fix all of those. But you gotta fix some of those. You have to!
- AllInForFlyers

Would Mike Green be a nice #1 on this team?

Why will Couturier always be a 3rd line center? What is that based on?
- MJL

I will say his skating is such slop and it's not going to get better. If he could just be a bit stronger and in his toes he would be a very very good player

The biggest issue is really that the Flyers are trying to play with Coburn/Schultz as their top shut down defense pair. That just hasn't worked. Schultz has played admirably for a player that was signed as a 7th defenseman, but that's not going to cut it. This is a big if, but if the Flyers could somehow add a legitmate to pair, they would be a solid team. A player like Boychuk may not be a legitimate #1, but if you can add him, he would drastically upgrade the Flyers D core.
- MJL

oh yeah.

look at the isles right now. i know years of sucking yada yada, but they are a good example of building through a variety of measures. homegrown stars/talent, but also identifying areas of need that were not fulfilled internally and going out and addressing them.

The biggest issue is really that the Flyers are trying to play with Coburn/Schultz as their top shut down defense pair. That just hasn't worked. Schultz has played admirably for a player that was signed as a 7th defenseman, but that's not going to cut it. This is a big if, but if the Flyers could somehow add a legitmate to pair, they would be a solid team. A player like Boychuk may not be a legitimate #1, but if you can add him, he would drastically upgrade the Flyers D core.
- MJL

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I think that is selling Streit short as a player. He's on pace for 10 goals and 46 assists, for 56 points. That's stout. Mike Green is probably the only player that might be able to match that. I think it's a false belief that the Flyers can easily find defensman in free agency to replace some of their defenseman, cheaper and for lesser term.
- MJL

If they made him available for trade he'd also probably fetch a decent haul.

I agree with you and MJL: A No. 1 defenseman isn't walking through that door. I get that, totally understand it.

But we touched on this yesterday, about Vinny on the fourth line, when we all agreed that the Flyers don't likely have the personnel that Berube would prefer to ice.

They're last on the PK. Find players who can even do that just a little better, and they have maybe, what, 6 more points this season? It's fair to say this PK has cost them at least three games, right?

This team can address needs with Umberger's $2.9 million from a buyout -- I'm not saying that because I hate the guy. I'm saying that because the PK is a tire fire, the fourth line does need to get better (again), and the Flyers need to figure out who is going to play on Couturier's RW.

Maybe you can't fix all of those. But you gotta fix some of those. You have to!
- AllInForFlyers

Im more in the crowd of grabbing some marshmellows and waiting for this trash fire to burn out so we can roast them nice and proper over the embers.

Or just throw Holmgren on it, and eat them raw.

Who Marner?
- ob18

Yes.

This is a big if, but if the Flyers could somehow add a legitmate top pair, they would be a solid team.
- MJL

this is the case for literally every team in the league. easier said than done obviously.

at this point i'd go back to nashville and see if schenn/coots could start a weber conversation again. the asking price would be higher than it was originally and it wouldn't happen before the year is over. but am i correct that weber does not have a nmc?

as long as G and jake aren't involved i'd try to sweep them off their feet.
or maybe i should just let go

Terrific.

Nick Schultz upgraded this defense. Should we pony up a similar contract?
- 77rams

That's the thing people miss.

There's guys who are upgrades out there, but is the degree of upgrade worth the cost? Sure, MacDonald was a better option than Gustafsson, Meszaros and Gill at the TDL last season.

Was he worth trading a 2nd & 3rd rounder for? Was he worth handing such a significant contract to?

Dustin Byfuglien would be an upgrade, too. How many people are lining up to pay what it'd cost for him?

you asked for a player that gave them a discount and his listed one


you really need the Spin Doctors avatar back
- Crimsoninja

How's that discount working out?

Yes.
- MJL

Doing just fine at his 164 pounds leading the OHL in scoring. He's got speed, smooth skating, sick hands, outstanding vision, & is solid in all 3 zones.

Terrific.

Nick Schultz upgraded this defense. Should we pony up a similar contract?
- 77rams

Schultz is a 3rd pair defenseman that the Flyers are using as a shut down defenseman, and it's not working. MacDonald is a younger and better all around defenseman that upgraded the skill level of the Flyers defense in terms of puck moving. I'd like to bring Schultz back at the right price, but I don't know what his asking price is.

I think that is selling Streit short as a player. He's on pace for 10 goals and 46 assists, for 56 points. That's stout. Mike Green is probably the only player that might be able to match that. I think it's a false belief that the Flyers can easily find defensman in free agency to replace some of their defenseman, cheaper and for lesser term.
- MJL

yeah. i thought that would be a troublesome contract for you guys. but streit, especially this year, has been outstanding.

if he was 6 years younger he would be commanding around 7 a year on the open market as a premier guy.

Ahhh...for the days that we had a true Captain, and when we lost, we made the other team pay the price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZm18klW18c
- OrangeAndBlack1

Simply a beast. The most dominating player I ever saw.

But Marner is listed at 164, while Timashov is at 189.

Either way im weary and have been of taking Marner as high as the majority are projecting because of size. Rather weight till the 3rd and take Timashov, while getting a Strome or Zacha with a top 5 pick.
- Yosimar89

I know little about him, but I agree, his size is scary.