Nobody said that...?

But please stay mad at things not said it's much easier than reading it.
- AdamFrench

I think you should read it

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Tim Chiasson

No.

I don't think it's a good deal because I don't think Marc Staal brings enough to the table to get that kind of money. This deal looks good if it's next to Brooks Orpik's, but that's about it.

I think Glen Sather essentially paid market price for his own defender, which is a tick in the loss column for the GM. Anton Stralman is a better defender than Marc Staal and Sather let him away to Tampa last year at over a million dollars less per season.
- mames11

Well...time to slink away!

none of these guys understand how the Rangers operate, or acknowledge that they have made the playoffs every year since the first lockout except for one and why they have won 6 playoff series the last 3 years.

Ryan McDonagh missed the last 5 games of the regular season last year, his first game back was game 1 of the 1st round against the Flyers and was a shell of himself in that round. The Rangers dont get past the Flyers without Staal who was a rock that whole series, a +6 for the series and scored a huge goal in the pivotal game 5.

just look at Corsi and don't watch the games and pretend you are experts, it's fine.

Since I'm the only one here defending anything. Can we all just admit, love or hate it, Marc Staal has become the highest paid defensive defenseman in the NHL?

Since I'm the only one here defending anything. Can we all just admit, love or hate it, Marc Staal has become the highest paid defensive defenseman in the NHL?
- AdamFrench

Phaneuf?

Phaneuf?
- rangerdanger94

What?

Phaneuf?
- rangerdanger94

Huh?

What?
- Blackstrom2

I don't exactly consider him an offensive defenseman.

Phaneuf?
- rangerdanger94

Who wants him in his own zone?

Who wants him in his own zone?
- AdamFrench

I didn't see a Hotstove blog when he signed his deal? I think you guys just hate the Rangers

I didn't see a Hotstove blog when he signed his deal? I think you guys just hate the Rangers
- rangerdanger94

Well 4 guys who are supposed blogging geniuses only explanation for why this is a bad deal is duhhhhhhh Corsi says so.

No talk about the Rangers playoff success the past few years. No talk about how bad the Rangers looked in the 2013 2nd round vs the Bruins without Staal because of his eye injury. I think this Corsi thing has stopped people from writing intelligent hockey blogs. Nobody thinks anymore.

Staals have always been overrated, now they are all overpaid....

I didn't see a Hotstove blog when he signed his deal? I think you guys just hate the Rangers
- rangerdanger94

That was universally panned as a bad deal.

Well 4 guys who are supposed blogging geniuses only explanation for why this is a bad deal is duhhhhhhh Corsi says so.

No talk about the Rangers playoff success the past few years. No talk about how bad the Rangers looked in the 2013 2nd round vs the Bruins without Staal because of his eye injury. I think this Corsi thing has stopped people from writing intelligent hockey blogs. Nobody thinks anymore.
- jimbro83

Why does Lundqvist's GF% and CF% go up when Staal is not on the ice?

That was universally panned as a bad deal.
- Blackstrom2

It seems that nowadays literally every single deal is panned as a bad deal

Why does Lundqvist's GF% and CF% go up when Staal is not on the ice?
- Feds91Stammer

Because when Staal is not on the ice, Crosby/Giroux/Ovechkin/Perry/Stamkos are not on the ice.

Why does Lundqvist's GF% and CF% go up when Staal is not on the ice?
- Feds91Stammer

Crosby only scored twice vs the Rangers last year in the 7 game second round series and the Pittsburgh media and fans are still complaining about the treatment Staal gave Crosby

Crosby only scored twice vs the Rangers last year in the 7 game second round series and the Pittsburgh media and fans are still complaining about the treatment Staal gave Crosby
- jimbro83

Yea, Staal definitely shutdown Crosby. Turned him completely invisible.

Yea, Staal definitely shutdown Crosby. Turned him completely invisible.
- rangerdanger94

I saw him crying a lot

Because when Staal is not on the ice, Crosby/Giroux/Ovechkin/Perry/Stamkos are not on the ice.
- rangerdanger94

Wrong. McDonagh is on the ice against those guys.

Wrong. McDonagh is on the ice against those guys.
- Feds91Stammer

Nah. The matchup in the Pens series was Staal vs Crosby and McDonagh vs Malkin.

AV doesn't really match lines too much though defensively. He usually just makes sure to have either McDonagh's line or Staal's line out there against the top line of the other team.

Edit: Is there a site that shows these numbers?

Edit 2: I was searching for some site that shows this but I found this article for now:
http://www.broadstreethoc...ysis-flyers-playoffs-2014
"The Rangers top two defensive units, Ryan McDonagh-Dan Girardi and Marc Staal-Anton Stralman, have gone up against Giroux's line almost equally and have had a lot of success in shutting Giroux and his linemates down."

Just illustrates my point that AV doesn't really match defensive lines besides having Staal or McDonagh out there against the top players.

Nah. The matchup in the Pens series was Staal vs Crosby and McDonagh vs Malkin.

AV doesn't really match lines too much though defensively. He usually just makes sure to have either McDonagh's line or Staal's line out there against the top line of the other team.
- rangerdanger94

I was basing it on their 2012-2014 opponent's ice times. Not saying Staal is a bad player but if I was a NYR fan I would much rather it be a 4 year deal.

I was basing it on their 2012-2014 opponent's ice times. Not saying Staal is a bad player but if I was a NYR fan I would much rather it be a 4 year deal.
- Feds91Stammer

4 year deal would be nice, but it's the cost of doing business I guess. As a UFA, he obviously had the leverage and likely left $500k+ a year on the table.

Also, numbers from 2012 and 2013 are skewed because of his injuries. Obviously they can't be ignored but I think those injuries should definitely be considered as a major factor in why his numbers suck those years.

Nah. The matchup in the Pens series was Staal vs Crosby and McDonagh vs Malkin.

AV doesn't really match lines too much though defensively. He usually just makes sure to have either McDonagh's line or Staal's line out there against the top line of the other team.

Edit: Is there a site that shows these numbers?

Edit 2: I was searching for some site that shows this but I found this article for now:
http://www.broadstreethoc...ysis-flyers-playoffs-2014
"The Rangers top two defensive units, Ryan McDonagh-Dan Girardi and Marc Staal-Anton Stralman, have gone up against Giroux's line almost equally and have had a lot of success in shutting Giroux and his linemates down."

Just illustrates my point that AV doesn't really match defensive lines besides having Staal or McDonagh out there against the top players.
- rangerdanger94

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2012-14&sit=5v5