I can, and i hope he does. The Devils need to "cash-in" on Jagr while they still can. I believe they could get a 2nd + a prospect for him.
- Rangers_Suck01

You mean getting back Spaling doesn't do it for you?

Spaling is viewed by many as a waste of money.

Just trying to use a simple and direct number to prove a point.

Spalling isn't even expected to score and he's actually producing points at a better point per $ rate than Jagr.

Just saying...sometimes you have to be a little more objective and too many people aren't.
- icedog97

Yeah, but Spaling has been the recipient of some very flukey and fortuitous goals/points. Which hey, glad he was on the Pens when he got those, but that luck isn't going to keep up forever, and my money is on a proven scorer performing better with better teammates than a guy who relies on luck to get as many points as he has. Spaling would be a good player if he had decent hands, but he doesn't. He has good hockey IQ and finds himself at the right place at the right time a lot because of that, probably why he has gotten such an extended look in the top 6 while everyone has been out, but he rarely finishes those opportunities. The goals that he does score are shots of his that are deflected or he is in front of the net and gets hit with the puck as it is going by, which to some extent you create your own luck by getting the puck to the net and being in the right place. But somebody with close to decent hands has 10-15 goals with the opportunities he has seen this year.

Haha love the comments, I cant quote anyone because this thread is F'ed.

Crosby for Cooke straight up!!! haha


F Williams

Its a weird feeling when I start to 100% agree with RW on a daily basis, then again I have been talking about getting Jags since the end of last year. Still RW is 100% correct on this one.

WWJJD
- nbartley9

Considering he writes about Jagr on a daily basis it's not that surprising.

Also when you are one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game why is it an excuse that he was asked to do too much for Philly and Boston? That's why those teams acquired him to be a great offensive player not an ordinary one. The absolute great ones score in the playoffs despite the system that is being implemented.

All we heard for the past couple of seasons was how Neal couldn't produce in the playoffs yet when Jagr does it the excuses are non-stop.

I'm fine with Spalling atm. I'm not in love with his salary but hes set to meet or exceed his point highs without the power play time he had in Nashville, he has been responsible in both ends of the ice, can play on any spot on the ice and has been picking up his effort the last few games although that may be tied to how crazy Geno has been lately.

In the end I really wouldn't care if he stayed or went but to be honest I wouldn't move him out for JJ and I just don't care for him period. There is no price I'd like to pay to acquire him and Lou certainly isn't moving him for nothing.

All we heard for the past couple of seasons was how Neal couldn't produce in the playoffs yet when Jagr does it the excuses are non-stop.
- acdc1206

or Iginla

As much as i like Williams, i can't see the Kings trading him right now with Pearson going down. That doesn't mean a deal couldn't be made. I think with the limited market for D-men right now, you can sell high with Martin and get a good deal, plus free up cap space to go after a rental.

Martin to LA for Zykov and a 2nd or 3rd. Then flip that pick and one of our middle tier d-prospects for Jagr. Penguins would then get their top 6 forward, and a top 6 forward prospect who isn't far away from playing in the NHL.

Yeah, but Spaling has been the recipient of some very flukey and fortuitous goals/points. Which hey, glad he was on the Pens when he got those, but that luck isn't going to keep up forever, and my money is on a proven scorer performing better with better teammates than a guy who relies on luck to get as money points as he has. Spaling would be a good player if he had decent hands, but he doesn't. He has good hockey IQ and finds himself at the right place at the right time a lot because of that, probably why he has gotten such an extended look in the top 6 while everyone has been out, but he rarely finishes those opportunities. The goals that he does score are shots of his that are deflected or he is in front of the net and gets hit with the puck as it is going by, which to some extent you create your own luck by getting the puck to the net and being in the right place. But somebody with close to decent hands has 10-15 goals with the opportunities he has seen this year.
- PensFan1103

An interesting and fair comment I think.

I'm not saying Spalling should be a top 6 player. My point is he CAN do that if needed and has the versatility to do other things that someone like Jagr simply doesn't do at this stage of his career.

My original comment was to the 'dump' of Spalling's salary. He's not an offensive player like Jagr but he's not a terrible hockey player either. At the end of the day (year) he will probably come pretty close to earning his salary. That's all you can ask for in the salary cap era.

Haha love the comments, I cant quote anyone because this thread is F'ed.

Crosby for Cooke straight up!!! haha


F Williams

Its a weird feeling when I start to 100% agree with RW on a daily basis, then again I have been talking about getting Jags since the end of last year. Still RW is 100% correct on this one.

WWJJD
- nbartley9

who cares what jussi jokinen would do!?!? anymore....

Jagr? When did Mario sell his portion of the team? I missed that announcement.

Considering he writes about Jagr on a daily basis it's not that surprising.

Also when you are one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game why is it an excuse that he was asked to do too much for Philly and Boston? That's why those teams acquired him to be a great offensive player not an ordinary one. The absolute great ones score in the playoffs despite the system that is being implemented.

All we heard for the past couple of seasons was how Neal couldn't produce in the playoffs yet when Jagr does it the excuses are non-stop.
- acdc1206

At this point in his career, he is brought in to be a complimentary player. That's obvious. Neal is supposed to be in the prime of his career. When you're playing with the likes of Crosby and Malkin, you're expected to produce... but when you're playing with Marchand and Bergeron... that's completely different. Now I love Bergeron, one of the best centers and most complete players in the league... but he is no Crosby or Malkin in terms of being a setup man. Playing with Giroux and Hartnell, Jags put up 8 points in 11 games... that's pretty solid if you ask me. Not to mention, one of the reasons Neal was shipped out was because he had a knack for taking horrible offensive zone penalties, often while on the PP... Jagr is way less of a liability to do that.

To acquire JJ, Pens would need to ship some salary the other way. Basically, the equivalent of a $3.75 mill per player(s).

Spalings contract is $2.2 or so. (God I miss capgeek).

We're still over said cap in that case.

If Lou were to even accept this (he wouldn't), we'd have to likely throw in another roster player making about $1.6. I don't think we have that guy (please don't say Scuderi!).

Unless I'm missing some # crunching magic with the cap, a JJ to Pens deal would have to send multiple pieces from our roster the other way.

Not happening.

Right...so what I'm saying is people view Spaling as a waste of money but he's scoring (even though that's not his main job) at almost the same (better actually) point per $ rate as a guy who is supposed to score.
- icedog97

Agreed, he's a third liner making like 2.5 milion, he's not gonna put up 70 and be a huge bargain player that everyone wants him to be

At this point in his career, he is brought in to be a complimentary player. That's obvious. Neal is supposed to be in the prime of his career. When you're playing with the likes of Crosby and Malkin, you're expected to produce... but when you're playing with Marchand and Bergeron... that's completely different. Now I love Bergeron, one of the best centers and most complete players in the league... but he is no Crosby or Malkin in terms of being a setup man. Playing with Giroux and Hartnell, Jags put up 8 points in 11 games... that's pretty solid if you ask me. Not to mention, one of the reasons Neal was shipped out was because he had a knack for taking horrible offensive zone penalties, often while on the PP... Jagr is way less of a liability to do that.
- j.boyd919

I think Jags is completely happy playing for a non-playoff team, no pressure, making nice coin, scoring points, climbing up the all time scoring list, banging hoes, and gambling.

An interesting and fair comment I think.

I'm not saying Spalling should be a top 6 player. My point is he CAN do that if needed and has the versatility to do other things that someone like Jagr simply doesn't do at this stage of his career.

My original comment was to the 'dump' of Spalling's salary. He's not an offensive player like Jagr but he's not a terrible hockey player either. At the end of the day (year) he will probably come pretty close to earning his salary. That's all you can ask for in the salary cap era.
- icedog97

I am not a fan of Spaling, probably because of the number of opportunities missed and number of times a puck has made it's way to him and the next thing you know the defense has it and is pushing back the other way. But I am starting to come to terms as to what he is and what the positives of his game are. I just don't think what he brings is worth $2.2 million. But he certainly isn't a complete waste of space or cap space. In reality I think he is closer to a $1.4 - $1.5 million kind of player, so it's really a matter of $700 - $800 thousand, which doesn't seem like a lot, but is to a cap ceiling team. Same with Scuderi, he has played much better this year, but still isn't worth his contract. I just think of what could be if those guys were being paid more reasonably. To me the only true waste of a roster spot is Adams, I just don't see him bringing anything to the table that a young, hungry player trying to crack the league wouldn't bring with more upside/potential than what Adams has.

To acquire JJ, Pens would need to ship some salary the other way. Basically, the equivalent of a $3.75 mill per player(s).

Spalings contract is $2.2 or so. (God I miss capgeek).

We're still over said cap in that case.

If Lou were to even accept this (he wouldn't), we'd have to likely throw in another roster player making about $1.6. I don't think we have that guy (please don't say Scuderi!).

Unless I'm missing some # crunching magic with the cap, a JJ to Pens deal would have to send multiple pieces from our roster the other way.

Not happening.
- 87_71_11_29

I thought since dupuis was out his salary didn't count? Or is that perrons cap hit?

I thought since dupuis was out his salary didn't count? Or is that perrons cap hit?
- nateca44

I'm pretty sure that went to Perron, I remember right before capgeek went down we have 336k or so in free cap with all the prospect D up.

Jagr will not be traded here. Williams is the most logical answer that can fit. I would be happy keeping Pmart, and happy with a trade for Williams

I'm fine with Spalling atm. I'm not in love with his salary but hes set to meet or exceed his point highs without the power play time he had in Nashville, he has been responsible in both ends of the ice, can play on any spot on the ice and has been picking up his effort the last few games although that may be tied to how crazy Geno has been lately.

In the end I really wouldn't care if he stayed or went but to be honest I wouldn't move him out for JJ and I just don't care for him period. There is no price I'd like to pay to acquire him and Lou certainly isn't moving him for nothing.
- ImScore71

Honestly, I don't understand the intense Spaling hate.

Downie - 20pts w/ 16pts 5v5; - 5.86 Corsi; 0:02 SH min/gm & 1:41 PP min/gm w/ 13:13 TOI/gm

Comeau - 19pts w/ 18pts 5v5; + 0.67 Corsi; 0:26 SH min/gm & 0:53 PP min/gm w/ 15:44 TOI/gm

Spaling - 17pts w/ 16pts 5v5; + 3.70 Corsi; 2:00 SH min/gm & 0:24 PP min/gm w/ 15:47 TOI/gm

Spaling is paid more, but he is achieving a better Corsi, chipping in about the same 5v5 pts, & doing while playing more SH/less PP time by a wide margin. I can understanding the argument that Spaling is a little overpaid, but its not like he isa total waste of Cap Space; the only player who fits that description on the Pens is Scuderi.

Considering he writes about Jagr on a daily basis it's not that surprising.

Also when you are one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game why is it an excuse that he was asked to do too much for Philly and Boston? That's why those teams acquired him to be a great offensive player not an ordinary one. The absolute great ones score in the playoffs despite the system that is being implemented.

All we heard for the past couple of seasons was how Neal couldn't produce in the playoffs yet when Jagr does it the excuses are non-stop.
- acdc1206

Well ten years ago, Jags could put a team on his back offensively and be just fine. Now however Jags is 42 years old, he cant do it alone all year and expect to have much left in the tank by Cup time, but if he is used in a way that he can save his legs and his giant ass he will be far more valuable by playoff time.

Seriously think of the times Spaling has been wide open for a shot by the space and time that was created by Sid and Kuni, Jagr doesn't need to create he just needs to finish. Which he is more than capable of doing.

WWJJD

who cares what jussi jokinen would do!?!? anymore....
- ChrisMS

Haha im actually referring to Double J Jeff Jarrett haha

Well ten years ago, Jags could put a team on his back offensively and be just fine. Now however Jags is 42 years old, he cant do it alone all year and expect to have much left in the tank by Cup time, but if he is used in a way that he can save his legs and his giant ass he will be far more valuable by playoff time.

Seriously think of the times Spaling has been wide open for a shot by the space and time that was created by Sid and Kuni, Jagr doesn't need to create he just needs to finish. Which he is more than capable of doing.

WWJJD
- nbartley9

who cares what jeff jillson would do?!?!

Haha im actually referring to Double J Jeff Jarrett haha
- nbartley9

I'm almost out.

I'm almost out.
- ChrisMS

Jeff Jimerson

Jeff Jimerson
- nbartley9

You just literally stole my grand finale

I'm almost out.
- ChrisMS

Oh, come on there are some other goodies still out there. Here's a few:

WWJJD? Make a whole lot of left turns
WWJJD? Beat his children until they performed better
WWJJD? Own a loser of a sports franchise that always chokes in the playoffs

Lets have a dance about the Jagr idea....

Jags was not overly effective in the playoffs when he played with Boston or Philly, that goes with out saying. Although on the other side of that coin he was expected to do too much, both in Philly and in Boston Jagr was used as an F1 or F2 to get opportunities for Giroux and as for Boston he played with Bergy and Marchand, Jags was expected to create his own offense on a heavily defensive oriented team, that doesn't fit into Jags wheelhouse. He fits perfectly on our team as currently constructed, 5 on 5 and on the PP and he fits perfectly on either of the top 2 lines. Slot Jagr into Spalings current spot, its a gold mine waiting to happen. Jagr can still score, and that is literally all he should be asked to do; find the soft spot and shoot until your arms fall off. Jagrs hands are still there, he would dramatically help this team instantly.

Spaling and a pick for Jagr


WWJJD
- nbartley9

This. Was at game Saturday,what a great game to see in person. About a dozen people stand up and cheer when Crosby scores the winner in overtime , the rest of arena silent too cool.