1 goal during that time frame. One.

And he looked gassed in those playoffs, too.

And putting him out there on the #1 PP makes no sense. The Penguins have failed with a fancy pants perimeter based PP the last couple of playoffs.

They bring in Hornqvist to change that, and provide a net front presence...and then they're going to go and put him on the barely used second unit so Jagr can try to dippsie doodle around? Asinine.
- hardnosed

For the price that it would cost to bring in Jagr, and the fact that he still produces, regardless if its 1 goal or not, he still produces, drives possession, and notches assists. He is still a better player than any of the aforementioned rentals. The only players I might, and its a big might, want over JJ is MAYBE Briere or Ryder.. and even then.. I'd still have JJ.

For the price that it would cost to bring in Jagr, and the fact that he still produces, regardless if its 1 goal or not, he still produces, drives possession, and notches assists. He is still a better player than any of the aforementioned rentals. The only players I might, and its a big might, want over JJ is MAYBE Briere or Ryder.. and even then.. I'd still have JJ.
- j.boyd919

Like I've said, I don't want any of the rentals due to cost. Unless it's a lower tier guy who can play bottom 6 like Bergenheim or Glencross who could come really, really cheaply, and I'm not even sure there's a need for that.

They got their impact guy in Perron, that's all they needed beside getting healthy.

I'm a NO on Jagr. He failed with his Boston run a few years ago. I don't see that soon-to-be 43 year old body holding up over 2 months of playoff hockey.

Plus, once again, to get Jagr, we have to send some salary the other way. No room on the books to send NJ prospects for him.

That's why I think the Williams/Martin swap makes some sense to me. The salary #'s are almost a wash. Salary out. Salary in.

I'd lean towards keeping PMart but if they pulled the trigger on Williams, I wouldn't hate it. Removes any excuses of 87 and 71 having no wingers.
- 87_71_11_29

Lets have a dance about the Jagr idea....

Jags was not overly effective in the playoffs when he played with Boston or Philly, that goes with out saying. Although on the other side of that coin he was expected to do too much, both in Philly and in Boston Jagr was used as an F1 or F2 to get opportunities for Giroux and as for Boston he played with Bergy and Marchand, Jags was expected to create his own offense on a heavily defensive oriented team, that doesn't fit into Jags wheelhouse. He fits perfectly on our team as currently constructed, 5 on 5 and on the PP and he fits perfectly on either of the top 2 lines. Slot Jagr into Spalings current spot, its a gold mine waiting to happen. Jagr can still score, and that is literally all he should be asked to do; find the soft spot and shoot until your arms fall off. Jagrs hands are still there, he would dramatically help this team instantly.

Spaling and a pick for Jagr


WWJJD

I was in total agreement with the column (except for the idea that it ever made sense to trade away Paul Martin) until Jagr crept his way into it. He's a loser who hasn't produced in the playoffs in nearly a decade. To me, he's Barry Bonds without the cream and the clear.

I honestly think the Penguins are pretty much done. They really don't need a bit player even unless there are further injuries. They're pretty well settled when healthy.
- hardnosed

The loser who has 44 points in 53 playoff games over the past decade (well, 9 years)?

The loser who has 44 points in 53 playoff games over the past decade (well, 9 years)?
- jmatchett383

Yeah that guy.. I'll take him on the Pens thank you very much.

Lets have a dance about the Jagr idea....

Jags was not overly effective in the playoffs when he played with Boston or Philly, that goes with out saying. Although on the other side of that coin he was expected to do too much, both in Philly and in Boston Jagr was used as an F1 or F2 to get opportunities for Giroux and as for Boston he played with Bergy and Marchand, Jags was expected to create his own offense on a heavily defensive oriented team, that doesn't fit into Jags wheelhouse. He fits perfectly on our team as currently constructed, 5 on 5 and on the PP and he fits perfectly on either of the top 2 lines. Slot Jagr into Spalings current spot, its a gold mine waiting to happen. Jagr can still score, and that is literally all he should be asked to do; find the soft spot and shoot until your arms fall off. Jagrs hands are still there, he would dramatically help this team instantly.

Spaling and a pick for Jagr


WWJJD
- nbartley9

Damn straight.

Lets have a dance about the Jagr idea....

Jags was not overly effective in the playoffs when he played with Boston or Philly, that goes with out saying. Although on the other side of that coin he was expected to do too much, both in Philly and in Boston Jagr was used as an F1 or F2 to get opportunities for Giroux and as for Boston he played with Bergy and Marchand, Jags was expected to create his own offense on a heavily defensive oriented team, that doesn't fit into Jags wheelhouse. He fits perfectly on our team as currently constructed, 5 on 5 and on the PP and he fits perfectly on either of the top 2 lines. Slot Jagr into Spalings current spot, its a gold mine waiting to happen. Jagr can still score, and that is literally all he should be asked to do; find the soft spot and shoot until your arms fall off. Jagrs hands are still there, he would dramatically help this team instantly.

Spaling and a pick for Jagr


WWJJD
- nbartley9

Obvs I don't get to watch him as much as I did a couple years ago, but even if he doesn't put up all the points, Jags can help a scoring line in other ways. He's still got the skills and strength to create room in the offensive zone, leaving it open for his linemates.

As with anything, its all about the cost.

If you can pay the price that you would pay for a complementary rental player, then sure.

If you are asked to pay the price for a first ballot hall of fame right wing, then pass.

Lets have a dance about the Jagr idea....

Jags was not overly effective in the playoffs when he played with Boston or Philly, that goes with out saying. Although on the other side of that coin he was expected to do too much, both in Philly and in Boston Jagr was used as an F1 or F2 to get opportunities for Giroux and as for Boston he played with Bergy and Marchand, Jags was expected to create his own offense on a heavily defensive oriented team, that doesn't fit into Jags wheelhouse. He fits perfectly on our team as currently constructed, 5 on 5 and on the PP and he fits perfectly on either of the top 2 lines. Slot Jagr into Spalings current spot, its a gold mine waiting to happen. Jagr can still score, and that is literally all he should be asked to do; find the soft spot and shoot until your arms fall off. Jagrs hands are still there, he would dramatically help this team instantly.




WWJJD
- nbartley9

I like this idea, if only because it dumps Spaling and his salary.

Anyone who likes the idea of picking up Drew Stafford or Chris Steward can go jump off a bridge.
- ImScore71

Have basically said that to those who brought up their names for the last 1.5 years. Both aren't good fits here. Stewart would be worthless.

I have been critical of Ryan, but I won't be with this one. I too liked the idea a few months ago - Martin for Williams. Now, no way. Maatta's injury has clouded things a bit.

I still don't like the rental thing. We have already given up our first round pick; so trading more picks essentially takes us out of the draft once again. We don't have forward prospects to trade and unless we are getting a stud young forward, I'm not trading D prospects for a rental that is gone in two months.

Lets have a dance about the Jagr idea....

Jags was not overly effective in the playoffs when he played with Boston or Philly, that goes with out saying. Although on the other side of that coin he was expected to do too much, both in Philly and in Boston Jagr was used as an F1 or F2 to get opportunities for Giroux and as for Boston he played with Bergy and Marchand, Jags was expected to create his own offense on a heavily defensive oriented team, that doesn't fit into Jags wheelhouse. He fits perfectly on our team as currently constructed, 5 on 5 and on the PP and he fits perfectly on either of the top 2 lines. Slot Jagr into Spalings current spot, its a gold mine waiting to happen. Jagr can still score, and that is literally all he should be asked to do; find the soft spot and shoot until your arms fall off. Jagrs hands are still there, he would dramatically help this team instantly.

Spaling and a pick for Jagr


WWJJD
- nbartley9

I would like to see Jagr come here, the only problem is right now the Pens have close to no remaining cap space, so it would take more than just Spaling's $2.2 to bring on Jagr's $3.5. With the $.2 that the Pens will have available once everyone except Dupuis are healthy, that still leaves a healthy $1.1 to cover

I would like to see Jagr come here, the only problem is right now the Pens have close to no remaining cap space, so it would take more than just Spaling's $2.2 to bring on Jagr's $3.5. With the $.2 that the Pens will have available once everyone except Dupuis are healthy, that still leaves a healthy $1.1 to cover
- PensFan1103

The answer is simple my man, light Sutter on fire then put him out with frozen urine filled balloons, POW instant IR; problem solved....


F Sutter


WWJJD

Which is the equivalent of winning a "Tallest Dwarf" or "Smartest Philadelphian" contest.
- hardnosed

http://www.usnews.com/edu...high-schools/pennsylvania

I like this idea, if only because it dumps Spaling and his salary.
- powerhouse

Yeah...Spaling has been absolutely terrible...a waste of money. Dump that salary for sure.

He has 6 goals and 17 points...if he doesn't score again this year, at 2.2M a year, that equates to $129K a point (and a plus 6)

Jagr on the other hand...under the same scenario...9 goals and 25 points at $3.5M...that's...well...$140K a point (and a minus 10)

Interesting...

If they can get Jagr without breaking the bank, I am all for it. He still has amazing hands, and he can still score. I think he would make a great asset to the top 2 lines, and the powerplay.

I think coming back to Pittsburgh could really invigorate Jagr's game (and the team), having the opportunity to play with Sid or Geno, to play without the pressure of having to be "the guy" night after night, and to play in the city that he played his best hockey. Plus, the city would go crazy! He might have burned a few bridges on his way out, but if he came back to the Pens I'm sure they'd give him a huge "Welcome Home". The nostalgic part of me wants this to happen. Will it happen? Probably not.

I would rather they make that trade happen then trading away Martin. Especially with Maatta being out, quite possibly, the rest of the season. Pittsburgh is stronger with Martin (now) than without him, and I don't see one of the young guys jumping up and making an instant impact that would give the front office the feeling that (come playoff time) that the Pens will be okay without Paul Martin.

Yeah...Spaling has been absolutely terrible...a waste of money. Dump that salary for sure.

He has 6 goals and 17 points...if he doesn't score again this year, at 2.2M a year, that equates to $129K a point (and a plus 6)

Jagr on the other hand...under the same scenario...9 goals and 25 points at $3.5M...that's...well...$140K a point (and a minus 10)

Interesting...
- icedog97

Difference is Spaling was brought in to be a third liner and a two way forward that is more of a defensive forward, Jagr on the other hand is the opposite

I can't see Lou trading his only fan draw to another Metropolitan team.

I'd do Jagr for like Ruopp.

Williams for Martin....Im fine with it, I'm also fine with Martin finishing here. When healthy this team will be pretty solid.

Yeah...Spaling has been absolutely terrible...a waste of money. Dump that salary for sure.

He has 6 goals and 17 points...if he doesn't score again this year, at 2.2M a year, that equates to $129K a point (and a plus 6)

Jagr on the other hand...under the same scenario...9 goals and 25 points at $3.5M...that's...well...$140K a point (and a minus 10)

Interesting...
- icedog97

Crosby is at 197k per point.....
Malkin at 202k per point....

Not a good determination....

I can't see Lou trading his only fan draw to another Metropolitan team.
- hipcheck_goalie

I can. It would be a smart move. Jagr isn't finishing the season there. The Devils are going no where too boot. Its about acquiring assets (picks and prospects) now. That roster is old and not talented. Jagr is a UFA as well. Time for that organization to be broken apart and totally remade.

Difference is Spaling was brought in to be a third liner and a two way forward that is more of a defensive forward, Jagr on the other hand is the opposite
- znagle

Right...so what I'm saying is people view Spaling as a waste of money but he's scoring (even though that's not his main job) at almost the same (better actually) point per $ rate as a guy who is supposed to score.

Crosby is at 197k per point.....
Malkin at 202k per point....

Not a good determination....
- cap1681

Spaling is viewed by many as a waste of money.

Just trying to use a simple and direct number to prove a point.

Spalling isn't even expected to score and he's actually producing points at a better point per $ rate than Jagr.

Just saying...sometimes you have to be a little more objective and too many people aren't.

Of course they wouldn't. He's not as "clutch" as Williams.
- jmatchett383

That post was from a person that is of an IQ hovering around 75 on a good day.

I can't see Lou trading his only fan draw to another Metropolitan team.
- hipcheck_goalie

I can, and i hope he does. The Devils need to "cash-in" on Jagr while they still can. I believe they could get a 2nd + a prospect for him.