Happy New Year!
- SuperSchennBros

back at ya
what did you do to celebrate ?

back at ya
what did you do to celebrate ?
- -davies-

PJ party. A good group of 20 people over the age of 27 and up in PJ's. Just finished watching last night's game just now. Just starting the Winter Classic.

You?

i seem to recall you declining a parking lot beer in the not so distant past...
- -davies-

Because I just met you guys!!

I've made it no secret that I'm a Lecavalier supporter. I fully understand the direction we're going in but Lecavalier seems to be one of the very few players outside of our top two point getters who is making something happen, and with very limited line mates. Move him, get the cap space but it doesn't mean the move makes us better in any way, shape or form.
- SuperSchennBros

If there was a way to move Vinny, Umberger, Streit, and MacDonald for prospects/picks, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

If Morin can consistently make a good outlet pass and be a solid defensive player that doesn't run around and cause his team to be stuck in it's own end because he can't clear the zone, then he'll be an improvement.

I'm still not sure they have a guy who will end up being a legit number one, but at the very least, if these guys all make the NHL, they won't be paying their 3-6 defensemen $3mm-$5mm a year for a few years.
- Jsaquella

If Sanheim continues to grow, he could end up like a Ryan Suter type dman. If Morin is the nasty, steady D half of Weber I think the team could more than live with that as a #1.

If they somehow ended up with the 3rd pick, which I really don't think they will, I'm ok drafting Hanifin. Otherwise I think they need more skill up front - Marner or Strome - and then live with Morin/Sanheim/Ghost and Hagg mixed in with current vets.

I just don't think they'll be able to trade for a 1/2 dman.

If Sanheim continues to grow, he could end up like a Ryan Suter type dman. If Morin is the nasty, steady D half of Weber I think the team could more than live with that as a #1.

If they somehow ended up with the 3rd pick, which I really don't think they will, I'm ok drafting Hanifin. Otherwise I think they need more skill up front - Marner or Strome - and then live with Morin/Sanheim/Ghost and Hagg mixed in with current vets.

I just don't think they'll be able to trade for a 1/2 dman.
- TheGreat28

You never know. I agree, if they end up at 3, Hanifin is the guy. But there's a lot of good players in the top ten. Strome, Marner, Zacha, Kylington.

Would you be willing to move G or Jake in a Recchi <-> Rico/LeClair type of move?
- Tomahawk

Wow, their scoring is so inconsistent now. Remove one of them and you are really looking at a rebuild.

I got blasted a month or two ago for suggesting this, but I'd trade G straight up for 1st or 2nd pick. But I wouldn't trade him in a package for a top dman.

They don't need to shuffle the deck, they need to cut out the deadwood.

The problem is, after the deadwood is gone, you need a smart guy to add in the pieces. I have faith that Hextall can be that guy. But we really won't know for sure until, really after the 2016 draft. Up to now, he's been stunted by limited cap room, bad contracts to mediocre players and a system ravaged by Holmgren's willingness to deal away picks.

They have to get more picks. They need to get rid of the bad contracts. They need to avoid bad deals with mediocre players. No more AMacs.
- Jsaquella

fire away... but the deadwood should never have been acquired to begin with.

fire away... but the deadwood should never have been acquired to begin with.
- JoeRussomanno

That's true, but unless you have a Delorean, we have to focus on getting rid of it, rather than be bitter it's here

You never know. I agree, if they end up at 3, Hanifin is the guy. But there's a lot of good players in the top ten. Strome, Marner, Zacha, Kylington.
- Jsaquella

I really don't want them to take Zacha or Crouse. I want a more natural-scoring, highly skilled kind of forward.

I know Kylington is climbing the charts, but I'd still go Strome and then look to trade Laughton or Couts for some d help or a natural winger.

Recchi was what, 26, and coming off consecutive 100+ pt seasons? Rico and LeClair were both a bit younger at 25?
- Tomahawk

I thought about this, long and hard.

I'd move Voracek, if it got down to it and that was the path presented that made sense.

But I don't move Giroux, because of what he's done in the playoffs. When it gets deep out there, that dude shows up -- even when he was getting hated on last year against the Rags, he still led the team in playoff scoring.

To me, that's the whole point: Getting a guy who is great in the regular and postseason...that's a guy you don't move unless you are so completely overwhelmed, it becomes comical.

But that's not just with picks. With actual players who you've seen play and perform.

If there was a way to move Vinny, Umberger, Streit, and MacDonald for prospects/picks, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
- 77rams

I suppose it depends on who the prospects are. We have prospects. I have no problem with moving these players but then what? We've gotta wait and hope these prospects workout the same way we have to hope every UFA signing works out. I think we're at a place right now where we have to hope the next couple moves works out, like the summer we traded Richards and Carter or the summer we aquired Timonen, Hartnell, Briere and Lupul.

Just finished watching Coach's Corner with Don Cherry.

Ron and Don start talking about taking care of your stick. Love your stick. They show and highlight Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid. Naturally after just watching the Flyers/Aves game I think of Giroux. I'm even a little disappointed they didn't name G. Seconds later they show highlight shifts of G and only G cleaning off his stick after every play.

PJ party. A good group of 20 people over the age of 27 and up in PJ's. Just finished watching last night's game just now. Just starting the Winter Classic.

You?
- SuperSchennBros

lol i knew you would say something good

i worked and had a couple of beers at my local, rang in the new year watching the flyers lose in overtime

I thought about this, long and hard.

I'd move Voracek, if it got down to it and that was the path presented that made sense.

But I don't move Giroux, because of what he's done in the playoffs. When it gets deep out there, that dude shows up -- even when he was getting hated on last year against the Rags, he still led the team in playoff scoring.

To me, that's the whole point: Getting a guy who is great in the regular and postseason...that's a guy you don't move unless you are so completely overwhelmed, it becomes comical.

But that's not just with picks. With actual players who you've seen play and perform.
- AllInForFlyers

You also have to consider the state of the team moving forward. What good is a 34 year old guy scoring, if the team is a couple years from contending? It's why Calgary finally traded Iginla. They weren't getting any further with him, and at some point you need to flip the room.

Flyers aren't there with Giroux or Voracek yet, and shouldn't be for some time

Just finished watching Coach's Corner with Don Cherry.

Ron and Don start talking about taking care of your stick. Love your stick. They show and highlight Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid. Naturally after just watching the Flyers/Aves game I think of Giroux. I'm even a little disappointed they didn't name G. Seconds later they show highlight shifts of G and only G cleaning off his stick after every play.
- SuperSchennBros

Anyone have a link to this, hate the CBC web site.

lol i knew you would say something good

i worked and had a couple of beers at my local, rang in the new year watching the flyers lose in overtime
- -davies-

Never underestimate the importance of your local sit down place. I am a regular at a bar in Windsor Ontario and a bar in Livonia Michigan. Both low key spots are much better then anything loud.

Anyone have a link to this, hate the CBC web site.
- opeth_pa

Try maybe youtube. This aired around 2pm today.

Try maybe youtube. This aired around 2pm today.
- SuperSchennBros

Duh, such a good idea..
Thanks for waking my brain up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahQFu7HIH1g

You also have to consider the state of the team moving forward. What good is a 34 year old guy scoring, if the team is a couple years from contending? It's why Calgary finally traded Iginla. They weren't getting any further with him, and at some point you need to flip the room.

Flyers aren't there with Giroux or Voracek yet, and shouldn't be for some time
- Jsaquella

Hypothetical: Voracek asks for $9 million x 6. Do you pay?

How about $9 x 7? Or $9 x 8?

No right or wrong answer(s)...just curious.

Hypothetical: Voracek asks for $9 million x 6. Do you pay?

How about $9 x 7? Or $9 x 8?

No right or wrong answer(s)...just curious.
- AllInForFlyers

We've been unlikely to not bring a long a pair together to have similar deal. Getzlaf/Perry, Toews/Kane. I believe these guys have signed identical deals together throughout their careers.

How do we know the Flyers wouldn't have a better record with Jeff Carter and Mike Richards? We don't.

How do you know the Flyers won't have a better record without Nicklas Grossmann or Braydon Coburn? We don't.

But yeah, the fact that the Eagles finished with exactly the same record as they did without DeSean Jackson means that yes, he was replaceable.

Because, as you so correctly noted, lots of factors go into why a team finishes where it does -- and the lack of a particular player isn't always an overriding one.

Which was exactly my point.
- AllInForFlyers

Which points to exactly what I said, in that it is all really speculation. And who overvalues or doesn't overvalue a player is really irrelevant to the puzzle. And just because some deems a player as replaceable, doesn't make it a smart move.

I thought about this, long and hard.

I'd move Voracek, if it got down to it and that was the path presented that made sense.

But I don't move Giroux, because of what he's done in the playoffs. When it gets deep out there, that dude shows up -- even when he was getting hated on last year against the Rags, he still led the team in playoff scoring.

To me, that's the whole point: Getting a guy who is great in the regular and postseason...that's a guy you don't move unless you are so completely overwhelmed, it becomes comical.

But that's not just with picks. With actual players who you've seen play and perform.
- AllInForFlyers

Agreed. Gotta build around someone, and I think G's that guy.

Jake's having a great season, maybe he will go on to be a great player, too... but like you mentioned, his next contract is going to be a bear, and it will force some hard decisions in other areas.

If they can leverage a career season from him into multiple good/great players in the next 6-18 mos, that might be something that could turn this thing around. Like that Leclair/Desjardins trade.

Agreed. Gotta build around someone, and I think G's that guy.

Jake's having a great season, maybe he will go on to be a great player, too... but like you mentioned, his next contract is going to be a bear, and it will force some hard decisions in other areas.

If they can leverage a career season from him into multiple good/great players in the next 6-18 mos, that might be something that could turn this thing around. Like that Leclair/Desjardins trade.
- Tomahawk

That trade was miraculous for the Flyers. Nobody expected Leclair to develop into a 50 goal scorer, so I think it's really a pipe dream to match that, and get a Norris trophy level defenseman also. Lofty heights. If I can trade Voracek for a package that includes a #1 defensman, or a player that could possibly develop into that, it has to at least be considered. As painful as it might be.

That trade was miraculous for the Flyers. Nobody expected Leclair to develop into a 50 goal scorer, so I think it's really a pipe dream to match that, and get a Norris trophy level defenseman also. Lofty heights.
- MJL

They originally got Jake in the same kind of trade, so....