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FlyersPhan97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Stuck on the Schuylkill River Expressway Eastward, PA
Joined: 07.05.2012

Dec 30 @ 2:52 PM ET
Couts must be offered more opportunity to prove his offensive prowess, he has the most potential of all the Flyers forwards. He, Schenn, and Leier would be a start.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 30 @ 2:53 PM ET
The Pens are dying over there. Crosby has 5 points in his last 11 games and he's well below his career average in points per game. What I've heard is that it's mostly just bad luck for him and he's due to pick it up any game now.
- NickTheKid87


I watched most of their game vs the Caps on replay, he's working hard and creating chances...might be pressing a bit, too. Had a beauty of a goal last night, might get him rolling
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 30 @ 2:53 PM ET
Exactly. Schultz is due for a regression too. He's been playing above his average level of the past few years. Well worth a 3rd. If not, I don't think replacing him would be all that hard. Morin may step in next year and be better.
- NickTheKid87



What you don't want to do is put a player like Morin right into the fire, playing him in tough minutes against top lines, and heavy PK minutes. That's why you need to keep a veteran presence to ease the kids in. Schultz is an excellent low risk fit there.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 30 @ 2:54 PM ET
Counts must be offered more opportunity to prove his offensive prowess, he has the most potential of all the Flyers forwards. He, Schenn, and Leier would be a start.
- FlyersPhan97

woah, it's like an unlicensed no quality control version of me
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 30 @ 2:55 PM ET
That's another factor. Schultz has played better than he has in a couple seasons. Is he going to slip back? If he does, his value could drop. If he gets re-signed before hand, it could end up being another albatross.
- Jsaquella



Little risk of that in my opinion. Simple negotiation where you go to the player before the deadline to negotiate a one year re-sign for a modest raise. If he's not willing to sign that, and wants a multi year deal, and wants to test the market, then you move him for whatever you can get. Simple and cut and dry. Very little risk in that scenario.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 30 @ 2:55 PM ET
The Pens are dying over there. Crosby has 5 points in his last 11 games and he's well below his career average in points per game. What I've heard is that it's mostly just bad luck for him and he's due to pick it up any game now.
- NickTheKid87


eh. crosby doesnt look awful, but he does have streaks of looking disinterested. but the forward depth right now is just so anemically bad, there really isnt much that can be considered hyperbole.

hornqvist out for the next few weeks. obviously dupuis is just pretty much gone for good. bennett is made of crumpled leaves.

losing comeau for the next few months was huge. your team should never be dealt a devastating blow when an offseason signing for the veteran minimum goes down.

on the back end, missing ehrhoff, martin, and maatta sucks a good bit as well. but at least the AHL callups on defense are somewhat competent, and letang and despres are doing pretty well.

the lineup combinations are just laughable. magnus pajaarvi could come in and automatically be a top 6 winger on that team, today.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 30 @ 2:56 PM ET
woah, it's like an unlicensed no quality control version of me
- BulliesPhan87




Also, we don't need you around here any more. Please turn your squeezy puck and note-taking troll pencil in before leaving. For good.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 30 @ 2:57 PM ET


Also, we don't need you around here any more. Please turn your squeezy puck and note-taking troll pencil in before leaving. For good.

- wolfhounds

you can't fire me, I quit


pls don't fire me
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 30 @ 2:58 PM ET
eh. crosby doesnt look awful, but he does have streaks of looking disinterested. but the forward depth right now is just so anemically bad, there really isnt much that can be considered hyperbole.

hornqvist out for the next few weeks. obviously dupuis is just pretty much gone for good. bennett is made of crumpled leaves.

losing comeau for the next few months was huge. your team should never be dealt a devastating blow when an offseason signing for the veteran minimum goes down.

on the back end, missing ehrhoff, martin, and maatta sucks a good bit as well. but at least the AHL callups on defense are somewhat competent, and letang and despres are doing pretty well.

the lineup combinations are just laughable. magnus pajaarvi could come in and automatically be a top 6 winger on that team, today.

- stayinthefnnet


If anyone is going to make those AHL forwards look NHL worthy, it's Sid. I still expect him to win the Art Ross and Hart but it's going to be a tough climb with all the injuries.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 30 @ 2:59 PM ET
I watched most of their game vs the Caps on replay, he's working hard and creating chances...might be pressing a bit, too. Had a beauty of a goal last night, might get him rolling
- Jsaquella


That seems like the general consensus: he's playing at a high level for the most part but the puck just isn't going in. I think he said something along those lines himself.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 30 @ 3:01 PM ET
That seems like the general consensus: he's playing at a high level for the most part but the puck just isn't going in. I think he said something along those lines himself.
- NickTheKid87


Lazy ass pucks.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 30 @ 3:02 PM ET
If anyone is going to make those AHL forwards look NHL worthy, it's Sid. I still expect him to win the Art Ross and Hart but it's going to be a tough climb with all the injuries.
- NickTheKid87


there have actually been some games where malkin looks much more engaged than crosby. kunitz appears to be running on fumes as well. he isnt doing as many of the things that made him very valuable (think hartnell, when he became more of a perimeter guy at the expense of his net crashing/corner winning ways). i think old man rutherford would be open to making a trade, but i think he is currently having a very hard time finding a dance partner.)

i think im finally open to the idea that giroux might beat him out for the art ross.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 30 @ 3:03 PM ET
Lazy ass pucks.
- wolfhounds


They're not lazy, just stubborn.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 30 @ 3:03 PM ET
you can't fire me, I quit


pls don't fire me

- BulliesPhan87


You've been traded to a team TBD later for a Kiss poster and other attic stuff.
ThirdEye
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ardmore, PA
Joined: 01.04.2013

Dec 30 @ 3:04 PM ET
Lazy ass pucks.
- wolfhounds


Ass pucks are the worst kind of pucks.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 30 @ 3:04 PM ET
there have actually been some games where malkin looks much more engaged than crosby. kunitz appears to be running on fumes as well. he isnt doing as many of the things that made him very valuable (think hartnell, when he became more of a perimeter guy at the expense of his net crashing/corner winning ways). i think old man rutherford would be open to making a trade, but i think he is currently having a very hard time finding a dance partner.)

i think im finally open to the idea that giroux might beat him out for the art ross.

- stayinthefnnet


Haha it's possible but Giroux and Voracek are feeding off each other. Put Crosby with a winger like that and his point total will skyrocket. Hornqvist could be that guy too, IMO. Too bad he got hurt. Kunitz is older now too. His prime years are behind him.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 30 @ 3:04 PM ET
They're not lazy, just stubborn.
- NickTheKid87


Dreaded Mule Pucks. Even worse!
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 30 @ 3:04 PM ET
That seems like the general consensus: he's playing at a high level for the most part but the puck just isn't going in. I think he said something along those lines himself.
- NickTheKid87


even on the nights he works hard, he often is far too hesitant to shoot himself. and when he does get space, he doesnt seem to go to the dekes as much.

the vision is still there, and he still sets up a good amount of chances. however, usually no one is there or it just hits a stick and dies.

id love a trade to get him some help. doesnt have to be anything too crazy
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 30 @ 3:06 PM ET
Haha it's possible but Giroux and Voracek are feeding off each other. Put Crosby with a winger like that and his point total will skyrocket. Hornqvist could be that guy too, IMO. Too bad he got hurt. Kunitz is older now too. His prime years are behind him.
- NickTheKid87

So far this season. It's Giroux feeding off of Voracek mostly. Voracek has been up and down and around the ice like a mad man on most nights.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 30 @ 3:06 PM ET
Ass pucks are the worst kind of pucks.
- ThirdEye


And when they try to give you one at the end of the game... No thank you, that's not fouling up my sweat-soaked bag.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 30 @ 3:09 PM ET
Haha it's possible but Giroux and Voracek are feeding off each other. Put Crosby with a winger like that and his point total will skyrocket. Hornqvist could be that guy too, IMO. Too bad he got hurt. Kunitz is older now too. His prime years are behind him.
- NickTheKid87


oh for sure. giroux and voracek most definitely feed off of each other. thats the benefit of getting to have your teams other stud player be on your line, as opposed to centering their own. but, credit must also be given to them both. giroux and voracek are both great players, and have killer chemistry together.

i really do like hornqvist. and i definitely agree kunitz' prime years are behind him, but he still should be able to show a little more than he has. i understand that there is zero chance the pens are able to outfit crosby with a winger close to jake, although one can dream.

id be fine with just getting predominantly healthy and making a depth move for someone like perron or tlusty.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 30 @ 3:09 PM ET
even on the nights he works hard, he often is far too hesitant to shoot himself. and when he does get space, he doesnt seem to go to the dekes as much.

the vision is still there, and he still sets up a good amount of chances. however, usually no one is there or it just hits a stick and dies.

id love a trade to get him some help. doesnt have to be anything too crazy

- stayinthefnnet


He'll turn it around one way or the other. Wouldn't be surprised to see him reel off something like 50 points in the next 30 games. That is if his linemates can keep up.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 30 @ 3:09 PM ET
That seems like the general consensus: he's playing at a high level for the most part but the puck just isn't going in. I think he said something along those lines himself.
- NickTheKid87


I admittedly haven't watched many games of theirs, though. I usually base games on the announcers and Steigey & Errey are near the bottom of my list.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 30 @ 3:11 PM ET
So far this season. It's Giroux feeding off of Voracek mostly. Voracek has been up and down and around the ice like a mad man on most nights.
- GOA88

on even strength, im inclined to agree.

but on the PP, giroux stirs the drink. and there are few better at it.

and the scheme of the PP itself, is simple but awesome. thats what you need on the PP. use the extra space, put guys in the spots that best mesh with their respective talents, and just create chances
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Dec 30 @ 3:11 PM ET
Why is berube not fired
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