My guess is they want a top 6 forward, 1 or 2 1st rd picks and a prospect. Is he worth that price??? I wouldnt make that deal...
- GOA88

I certainly wouldn't surrender 2 1sts plus the rest of what you suggested for Yandle.. a 1st + top6 forward seems close; maybe another mid-rounder or a mid-quality prospect to round the deal out.

The positioning of the 1st in that trade would be a key piece for sure.

Another way to look at it is through trade value.
take philly
P
Hilly would have to part with b schenn or couturier and prospect for yandle
To get weber it would start with Giroux or voracek.
To get kieth probably same thing.

That is a true statement though...

Better than Kessel:

Perry, Voracek, Hossa, Ovechkin, Benn, Zetterberg, St.Louis, Landeskog.... I could keep going....
- GOA88

Sure keep going and doing your hilariously lame happy faces, but Phil Kessel is better than every player you listed, with the possible exception of Ovechkin.

It sure is laughable. Look at me using actual data to compare my points while people disagreeing with me cannot muster anything other than reputation based arguments, logical fallacies and the ideas that have been disproved (i.e the role of shut-down guys, not playing two puck movers together, etc).
- James_Tanner

There are an assortment of stats and awards to suggest that Keith is a better D-man than Yandle. Look them up yourself. I respect your defense of Yandle seeing as he is your home town boy but c'mon man.....

Another way to look at it is through trade value.
take philly
P
Hilly would have to part with b schenn or couturier and prospect for yandle
To get weber it would start with Giroux or voracek.
To get kieth probably same thing.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Crazy to think Ron Hextall reads my blogs. I stand corrected.

Sure keep going and doing your hilariously lame happy faces, but Phil Kessel is better than every player you listed, with the possible exception of Ovechkin.
- James_Tanner

I'm starting to think you've been spending too much time under that desert sun...

A better comparison for Yandle is Shea Weber or Erik Karlsson. That's how good he is.
- James_Tanner

wow

Sure keep going and doing your hilariously lame happy faces, but Phil Kessel is better than every player you listed, with the possible exception of Ovechkin.
- James_Tanner

Pretty sure voracek leads the league in points and assists by a margin of 4 or 5... your coyote bias is so blatant.

Hey, good post. I don't necessarily agree with it all, but at least you're thinking and not just spouting the same reputation based nonsense that prompted this blog in the first place.

I think if Yandle played for Chicago, he might be considered better than Keith - which really illistrates the problem here: how do you compare a guy who's played on a terrible team for five years vs a guy who has played on an elite one? If I was building a team today, my first D pick would be Hedman.
- James_Tanner

Mmmm doubtful.

Personally, I think Yandle is underrated outside Phoenix. I do.

That said, I think the gist of what you're saying here is that Keith would not be as good on another team; I think, on the other hand, the Hawks would not be as good without Keith. And Seabrook. And actually, though they are different kinds of defensemen, I think you can at least compare Hjalmarsson to Yandle in terms of his value to a team.

And yes, Hjalmarsson is MY kind of defenseman, takes away time and space in his end, and can contribute on the other end. Not to mention he absolutely flattens people with clean hits.

The Hawk defensemen are not so highly thought of because the team is good, if not great. The team is great because of them. The Hawk system really starts with their blue liners. Yep, 88, 81 and 19 are great players. But I will always make the argument that the Hawks live and die by their defensemen, three of which are top pairing guys on most other teams.

I'm starting to think you've been spending too much time under that desert sun...
- GOA88

Pretty sure voracek leads the league in points and assists by a margin of 4 or 5... your coyote bias is so blatant.
- 28Girouxsalem28

You guys are so gullible. You shouldn't waste any effort arguing against him. Whether he's right or wrong who cares? He loves this back and forth banter and will keep toying with you to keep you responding.

Pretty sure voracek leads the league in points and assists by a margin of 4 or 5... your coyote bias is so blatant.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Not only that but he even thinks Kessel is better than Perry??? 50 goal scorer and hart trophy winner.... oh and better than Zetterberg??!!! WOW

Crazy to think Ron Hextall reads my blogs. I stand corrected.
- James_Tanner

Crazy anyone reads this biased laughing stock of a blog.

You guys are so gullible. You shouldn't waste any effort arguing against him. Whether he's right or wrong who cares? He loves this back and forth banter and will keep toying with you to keep you responding.
- rangerdanger94

He isnt bothering me one bit. I'm having just as much fun reading his comments.

There are an assortment of stats and awards to suggest that Keith is a better D-man than Yandle. Look them up yourself. I respect your defense of Yandle seeing as he is your home town boy but c'mon man.....
- GOA88

But it's not biased: Who puts up more points more consistantly while playing with easily the worst group of forwards over a five year period ? Answer: Keith Yandle

Who puts up the best possession stats in hockey over the same period while playing on a team that favors defense and is not very good? Same answer.

Fact is, outside of Erik Karlsonn, no one has a bigger impact on games. This isn't my opinion, this is just something that is the truth.

Now, I agree there are other factors at play, which is why I don't claim he's the best of the best....but certainly anyone objectively looking into it must at the very least rethink their ideas about what makes a good defenseman and where Yandle ranks vs the rest of the NHL.

Erik Karlsson, Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, Shea Weber....I think we can all agree those are the four best all-round Dmen in hockey. But after that, it gets extremely subjective and if you wanted to call Yandle #5 you have A TON of data to back up that statement.

He isnt bothering me one bit. I'm having just as much fun reading his comments.
- GOA88

"Not only that but he even thinks Kessel is better than Perry??? 50 goal scorer and hart trophy winner.... oh and better than Zetterberg??!!! WOW"
You're rattled bud.

Not only that but he even thinks Kessel is better than Perry??? 50 goal scorer and hart trophy winner.... oh and better than Zetterberg??!!! WOW
- GOA88

Damn, I do hate Anaheim, but I'll give you Perry. Perry is better than Kessel. But who else can you say is? You can't say Vorachek, he has like 8 more points than Kessel, plays with Girioux and Kessel has a six year track record.

No one is saying yandle is a bad player. To be an elite number 1 it's pretty much standard that you put up 40 points which he does. He doesn't really play pk and doesn't face first line players. He starts mostly in the offensive zone. These are all things that make you a top 30 d man and he just doesn't do all of that.

Damn, I do hate Anaheim, but I'll give you Perry. Perry is better than Kessel. But who else can you say is? You can't say Vorachek, he has like 8 more points than Kessel, plays with Girioux and Kessel has a six year track record.
- James_Tanner

Nash?

"Not only that but he even thinks Kessel is better than Perry??? 50 goal scorer and hart trophy winner.... oh and better than Zetterberg??!!! WOW"
You're rattled bud.
- rangerdanger94

TROLL

Mmmm doubtful.

Personally, I think Yandle is underrated outside Phoenix. I do.

That said, I think the gist of what you're saying here is that Keith would not be as good on another team; I think, on the other hand, the Hawks would not be as good without Keith. And Seabrook. And actually, though they are different kinds of defensemen, I think you can at least compare Hjalmarsson to Yandle in terms of his value to a team.

And yes, Hjalmarsson is MY kind of defenseman, takes away time and space in his end, and can contribute on the other end. Not to mention he absolutely flattens people with clean hits.

The Hawk defensemen are not so highly thought of because the team is good, if not great. The team is great because of them. The Hawk system really starts with their blue liners. Yep, 88, 81 and 19 are great players. But I will always make the argument that the Hawks live and die by their defensemen, three of which are top pairing guys on most other teams.
- John Jaeckel

Don't get me wrong, I think Keith is one of the best. I am just saying that its hard to compare two players when one plays on the best team in hockey over a five year period and one plays on what is more or less the worst.

Don't get me wrong, I think Keith is one of the best. I am just saying that its hard to compare two players when one plays on the best team in hockey over a five year period and one plays on what is more or less the worst.
- James_Tanner

If only we could've compared them when they each played on 2 great national teams. Too bad Yandle sucked too much to make his.

Damn, I do hate Anaheim, but I'll give you Perry. Perry is better than Kessel. But who else can you say is? You can't say Vorachek, he has like 8 more points than Kessel, plays with Girioux and Kessel has a six year track record.
- James_Tanner

No question if I had a choice of Kessel or Vorachek on my team, I take Kessel. Good for 30+ goals like clockwork. I'd go with the known quantity regardless of what one years' stats say.

Kessel vs. Perry is a harder comparison, and Perry may indeed get the edge. I think Kessel has tremendous pure talent, but Perry is more of a rounded powerhouse and has the heart+drive to compete more consistently. If Kessel could raise his game to his highest level every night, I'd definitely want Kessel between those two--but he does have stretches where he's just flat-out disinterested.

If only we could've compared them when they each played on 2 great national teams. Too bad Yandle sucked too much to make his.
- rangerdanger94

Well except for the pesky fact that Canada's fourth team could face the best USA team (one that actually had Yandle) and it still wouldn't be a fair game.

Haha I don't mind. But I still say he's a legit #1 and one of the best. Fact is, when he's on the ice, very very few players have the effect that he does. I agree that not killing penalties might detract from his value, but you also, but is anyone prepared to say that Phil Kessel isn't one of the top three wingers in the NHL just because he doesn't kill penalties?

Bottom line: Yandle has more impact positively on games than 99.9% of players.
- James_Tanner

wow, you really just have no clue. There;s being a homer, then there's you. Terrible

No question if I had a choice of Kessel or Vorachek on my team, I take Kessel. Good for 30+ goals like clockwork. I'd go with the known quantity regardless of what one years' stats say.

Kessel vs. Perry is a harder comparison, and Perry may indeed get the edge. I think Kessel has tremendous pure talent, but Perry is more of a rounded powerhouse and has the heart+drive to compete more consistently. If Kessel could raise his game to his highest level every night, I'd definitely want Kessel between those two--but he does have stretches where he's just flat-out disinterested.
- --Lamp--

You could also consider that Perry is centred by eventual Hall of Famer Ryan Getzlaf and Kessel spends the majority of his time playing with Tyler Bozak, who it's not even fair to really make fun of.