but he won't be less than the assumed price most likely and the last thing I want to see them do is move young kids such as Sanheim, hagg, etc for a guy like Yandle
- nastyflyergirl

The last thing the Flyers need to do is move out young players for an NHL'er with a big contract or commanding a big contract. I don't even care if it makes the flyers a better team tomorrow on paper. The Flyers need to unload some of the D they have for anything. Adding anyone over the age of 25 at the cost of our young players or draft picks (because that's all we have to trade) is counterproductive.

Rant was almost TL DR

So your reply was perfect !
- Marc D

You rarely go off like that, so I read it all.

I had to at least acknowledge it.

Here's what I notice.
They have one really good line, maybe even an elite line.
It is capable of dominating and taking over games.

On 5 v 5, they are the one line capable of generating offense.

Often times they are controlling a cycle and the puck goes back to the blueline where things die. Coburn on the right side has nothing but a weak backhand along the boards. Schultz, Grossmann and the rest (with the exception of Streit) rarely get anything to the net.

It's beyond frustrating. CC in the few games he played seemed to get shots through, and MDZ gives them the option of a guy coming in backdoor.

I know both players have faults defensively, maybe even fatal flaws. But this current blueline is not getting it done either defensively.
- Marc D

They all stink in their own smelly way. Let's be honest, if MDZ or CC were dressing, is it making a difference?

He might prefer to stay in Allentown. It's fully possible. But you're focusing on the Murray part. My main point isn't to get Murray in the coaching position. It's to free some of the guys in the Berube doghouse and give them a chance to see if they are indeeed part of the solution moving forward.

If Berube remains as head coach until the end of the season, does MDZ show enough to get re-signed? Are we going to be stuck with another year of some of the deadweight simply because the other guys didn't get a look?

You can't start moving on until you take a first step. Let Berube stay until the end of January. If they're still under .500 and kicking about in the bottom third of the league, what's the point in keeping Berube? Unless he decides to provide an open competition and audition, it's counter productive. He'll keep running the same crew out there and we'll see the same results.
- Jsaquella

i'd like to clear out the dog house, too. i'm not sure that bringing up murray will necessarily do that, #1, and if disrupting the development of our true future assets is the right thing either, #2. i don't have the answer.

Remember that stretch of games where we were worried MDZ was playing so well they wouldn't be able to afford to re sign him?

No?

I guess neither does Berube.

Give him another shot already.

I still think that if they can Berube before the end of the season, they should make Holmgren coach the rest of the year out. Hell, he built this poop show, let him coach it.
- BiggE

interesting idea. he hasn't coach for a long time though. ugh. this season blows.

Remember that stretch of games where we were worried MDZ was playing so well they wouldn't be able to afford to re sign him?

No?

I guess neither does Berube.

Give him another shot already.
- Marc D

shots fired.

They all stink in their own smelly way. Let's be honest, if MDZ or CC were dressing, is it making a difference?
- Just5

Is it making a difference? Likely not. However, it would be nice to see a younger guy like MDZ play so it can be determined if he may have a future here.

Remember that stretch of games where we were worried MDZ was playing so well they wouldn't be able to afford to re sign him?

No?

I guess neither does Berube.

Give him another shot already.
- Marc D

No way! Physical pylons Gross-mann, and L Sloth are a couple of He-Men!

They all stink in their own smelly way. Let's be honest, if MDZ or CC were dressing, is it making a difference?
- Just5

I think so, to a minor extent. Given the mistakes being made by the so-called good defensive players, I'd like to see MDZ or Colaiacovo get a shot and see what they can bring.

If it makes a difference, great. The Flyers find a guy who they can re-sign and plug in who can be solid. If not, well, it's no big deal. It's a lost season. At least you get a better view of what you have and if it's worth signing a guy to a new deal

They all stink in their own smelly way. Let's be honest, if MDZ or CC were dressing, is it making a difference?
- Just5

It might not make a difference in the results, but it would show that Berube is willing to change his way of thinking a bit. The way he's doing things right now isn't helping in the least.

interesting idea. he hasn't coach for a long time though. ugh. this season blows.
- hammarby31

I just like the comic element of it. Hell, Scotty Bowman wouldn't be getting this team in the playoffs.

Remember that stretch of games where we were worried MDZ was playing so well they wouldn't be able to afford to re sign him?

No?

I guess neither does Berube.

Give him another shot already.
- Marc D

This x1000000

I'm tired of him not getting another chance, while everyone else keeps getting playing time. I guess they're all just playing so well, he can't sit anyone, huh?

But hey.. it's just because he's a young guy and doesn't have as much rope as the vets.. so I'm told..

I just like the comic element of it. Hell, Scotty Bowman wouldn't be getting this team in the playoffs.
- BiggE

how much of comedy fan is hextall?

i'd like to clear out the dog house, too. i'm not sure that bringing up murray will necessarily do that, #1, and if disrupting the development of our true future assets is the right thing either, #2. i don't have the answer.
- hammarby31

Again, you're focusing in Murray. I'm focusing on dumping Berube. I don't care if it's Murray, or if they slide Gord Murphy to interim HC or if they move Homer down.

If Berube's willing to sit some of his sacred cows so others get a chance, keep Chief until the summer.

As far as the Phantoms go, the only top shelf guy currently on that roster is Hagg. Not sold that losing Murray for a couple months seriously damages their development.

i'd like to clear out the dog house, too. i'm not sure that bringing up murray will necessarily do that, #1, and if disrupting the development of our true future assets is the right thing either, #2. i don't have the answer.
- hammarby31

Hexy should go all Billy Beane and just start trading defenseman until Berube is forced to play MDZ

They all stink in their own smelly way. Let's be honest, if MDZ or CC were dressing, is it making a difference?
- Just5

this is sad but true

Put Doughty or even Suter on this team and they all look better playing roles and minutes they are more suited to play.

Hope to Noodle Sanheim turns into that guy.

Morin looks like a tall shut down type, and Ghost may be too one dimensional the other direction. Hagg may never get motivated enough to realize his true potential.

how much of comedy fan is hextall?
- hammarby31

He didn't laugh at all when I saw him at a local mall and told him he'd look good in a different jersey the next year while he was still a Flyer. If looks could kill, and all.

Sure enough, the Lindros deal happened that summer.

Again, you're focusing in Murray. I'm focusing on dumping Berube. I don't care if it's Murray, or if they slide Gord Murphy to interim HC or if they move Homer down.

If Berube's willing to sit some of his sacred cows so others get a chance, keep Chief until the summer.

As far as the Phantoms go, the only top shelf guy currently on that roster is Hagg. Not sold that losing Murray for a couple months seriously damages their development.
- Jsaquella

Hagg, Stolarz and Alt aren't currently playing for them either

Nicklas Grossmann, leads Flyers defensemen with a plus-10 rating. He is one of 20 NHL defensemen who currently have a double-digit plus rating at even strength.
- bmeltzer

Nonsense, this can't be. He's horrible at everything and should be dumped for a 7th ASAP.

Hagg, Stolarz and Alt aren't currently playing for them either
- PhillySportsGuy

True, but Stolarz & Alt aren't top shelf guys. Neither are Straka, Leier or Cousins. They have some good depth guys there, and stability is a good thing, but at the same time there's a finite window on MDZ & Colaiacovo.

Again, you're focusing in Murray. I'm focusing on dumping Berube. I don't care if it's Murray, or if they slide Gord Murphy to interim HC or if they move Homer down.

If Berube's willing to sit some of his sacred cows so others get a chance, keep Chief until the summer.

As far as the Phantoms go, the only top shelf guy currently on that roster is Hagg. Not sold that losing Murray for a couple months seriously damages their development.
- Jsaquella

got it. you hadn't mentioned any other options - i'd honestly rather have a guy like murphy or homer than move murray.

He didn't laugh at all when I saw him at a local mall and told him he'd look good in a different jersey the next year while he was still a Flyer. If looks could kill, and all.

Sure enough, the Lindros deal happened that summer.
- tangent_man

True, but Stolarz & Alt aren't top shelf guys. Neither are Straka, Leier or Cousins. They have some good depth guys there, and stability is a good thing, but at the same time there's a finite window on MDZ & Colaiacovo.
- Jsaquella

I would have fired Berube weeks ago. I'm sure the Flyers could find a suitable replacement for 40 games even if Murray stayed put.

got it. you hadn't mentioned any other options - i'd honestly rather have a guy like murphy or homer than move murray.
- hammarby31

Murray is the more logical choice, because he has the experience as a head coach. But there's other options.