I’m not quite ready to give up on Kassian yet, especially to Boston. We all know what happened the last time we sent them a power forward.

I see you're still the DP master!!

Try decaf.
- Marwood

New computer. I hit it once but it rings in twice. I guess after seeing made in Zaire ,i should not have bought it

I was as surprised as any one with the fast start, I think we are now settling into reality. Vantel is not wrong that the Sedins have slowed, it's just that there is no way in hell this organization will trade them. We need to develope a new 1st line in the next season or two and add one or two scoring wingers to Bonino's line. Then we need a quaterback defensemen for the power play and a rugged, stay-at-home defensemen to clear the front of the net.
- Marwood

Yes lots of moving parts for sure and I agree on the twins, they've slowed down to the point the organization should be in a position to move them down a notch and supplant them as a first line….but we all know that ain't happening because there's no one there.

I'm still of the mindset we've gotta draft well and develop some kids because as you said, the Canucks aren't trading one of or both of the Sedins, the reality of it is, it just isn't ever gonna happen. Number one no contending team can take on their salaries, number two they've got history here and they've got NO MOVEMENT CLAUSES, number three they've got a great relationship with Trevor Linden.

I’m not quite ready to give up on Kassian yet, especially to Boston. We all know what happened the last time we sent them a power forward.
- VanHockeyGuy

This next Bertuzzi stuff has me skeptical , I see the next Steve Bernier

This next Bertuzzi stuff has me skeptical , I see the next Steve Bernier
- VANTEL

I think he'll be a tweener his whole career. He just doesn't have the mental capacity, in terms of an NHL player, to think the game to where he can be an affective full-time top six forward.

Like him on that third line though, they were playing great until he went down. Funny how they stop producing once that happened though??

Yes lots of moving parts for sure and I agree on the twins, they've slowed down to the point the organization should be in a position to move them down a notch and supplant them as a first line….but we all know that ain't happening because there's no one there.

I'm still of the mindset we've gotta draft well and develop some kids because as you said, the Canucks aren't trading one of or both of the Sedins, the reality of it is, it just ever gonna happen. Number one no contending team can take on their salaries, number two they've got history here and they've got NO MOVEMENT CLAUSES, number three they've got a great relationship with Trevor Linden.
- LeftCoaster

That is why I would rather draft top 5 and not 14 to 20. I dont care if Oilers screwed up their team by playing players to early with no leadership to show them the way.
k
Look at Florida in the last 5 years have drafted Ekblad Huberdeau Gudbranson Barkov and Bjudstad. They are surrounded by maturity and now look like they are going to the next level.

We drafted Gaunce Jensen Bo and Jake . That is quite a difference in talent

Too much of everything goes through the Sedins . If you are going to keep them full term ,then JB needs to make a new first line. Sedins would be a productive second line with lessened duties.

Finding a first line in the next year or two is almost impossible, but as AV once told Kesler in his young career when he had a chance to score and the Dman had his stick wedged against the post , he told Kesler "you have to find a way to do it , don't give me excuses"

Canucks have movable pieces and cap space this year , do what you need to do to win.
- VANTEL

Listen to all offers! We can be comfortable with the fact we have an excellent talent evaluator managing the team, his challenge is finding the right pieces without giving up the farm.

I think he'll be a tweener his whole career. He just doesn't have the mental capacity, in terms of an NHL player, to think the game to where he can be an affective full-time top six forward.

Like him on that third line though, they were playing great until he went down. Funny how they stop producing once that happened though??
- LeftCoaster

No problem with him as a third liner

Listen to all offers! We can be comfortable with the fact we have an excellent talent evaluator managing the team, his challenge is finding the right pieces without giving up the farm.
- VanHockeyGuy

I like JB but have not given him 100% green light yet. Still too early for me to judge

Vey nothing special

Miller Meh

Vrbata ok

Dorsett good

Bonino OK

Sbisa OK

That is why I would rather draft top 5 and not 14 to 20. I dont care if Oilers screwed up their team by playing players to early with no leadership to show them the way.
k
Look at Florida in the last 5 years have drafted Ekblad Huberdeau Gudbranson Barkov and Bjudstad. They are surrounded by maturity and now look like they are going to the next level.

We drafted Gaunce Jensen Bo and Jake . That is quite a difference in talent
- VANTEL

Top 5 would be awesome, might be a stretch though. It also may come from a deal, it depends how bad they want the guy they have targeted. It didn't work out with Sam Reinhart.

Interesting call ups and scratches by Pens tonight. Showcasing young D and scratching Downie and Sutter. Get ready Edmonton

That is why I would rather draft top 5 and not 14 to 20. I dont care if Oilers screwed up their team by playing players to early with no leadership to show them the way.
k
Look at Florida in the last 5 years have drafted Ekblad Huberdeau Gudbranson Barkov and Bjudstad. They are surrounded by maturity and now look like they are going to the next level.

We drafted Gaunce Jensen Bo and Jake . That is quite a difference in talent
- VANTEL

I just don't think the fan base or the owner will allow for five years of drafting in the top five. Teams have won without that consistent top five pick, Los Angeles for instance, but I do understand what you're saying.

For the record I like the Bo Horvat, Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann and Nick Jensen picks

I like JB but have not given him 100% green light yet. Still too early for me to judge

Vey nothing special

Miller Meh

Vrbata ok

Dorsett good

Bonino OK

Sbisa OK
- VANTEL

We gave up a 2nd for Vey, it could have been worse…

2nd and 3rd round draft pick for Steve Bernier

Connauton and a 2nd round draft pick for Derek Roy

I just don't think the fan base or the owner will allow for five years of drafting in the top five. Teams have won without that consistent top five pick, Los Angeles for instance, but I do understand what you're saying.

For the record I like the Bo Horvat, Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann and Nick Jensen picks
- LeftCoaster

I like them too trust me, but they are not Ekblad Bjugstad type. I enjoyed last year more than I did the year we got Gaunce. Picking up JV and McCann was a good year. Cassels I think will also be a keeper.

I am honestly ok with losing big for two more years. I hate being middle of the pack.

I was as surprised as any one with the fast start, I think we are now settling into reality. Vantel is not wrong that the Sedins have slowed, it's just that there is no way in hell this organization will trade them. We need to develop a new 1st line in the next season or two and add one or two scoring wingers to Bonino's line. Then we need a quarterback defensemen for the power play and a rugged, stay-at-home defensemen to clear the front of the net.
- Marwood

word.

Hard to argue with any of that Vantel, he speaks the truth. I'm hopeful the TDL is pretty active on the Canuck front.
- LeftCoaster

It should be active long before the deadline.

I think he'll be a tweener his whole career. He just doesn't have the mental capacity, in terms of an NHL player, to think the game to where he can be an affective full-time top six forward.

Like him on that third line though, they were playing great until he went down. Funny how they stop producing once that happened though??
- LeftCoaster

Kassian could be great if he had any vision.

We gave up a 2nd for Vey, it could have been worse…

2nd and 3rd round draft pick for Steve Bernier

Connauton and a 2nd round draft pick for Derek Roy
- VanHockeyGuy

My biggest thing against JB was Miller . I think we could have used the cap for scoring and D. Not a big deal but if I did say something negative about him it would be that.

It should be active long before the deadline.
- thundachunk

I think immediately for those that have the cap space. Beat the rush.

I just don't think the fan base or the owner will allow for five years of drafting in the top five. Teams have won without that consistent top five pick, Los Angeles for instance, but I do understand what you're saying.

For the record I like the Bo Horvat, Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann and Nick Jensen picks
- LeftCoaster

No they won't, the problem is take over the reins on the first line? I don't think there is anyone in the system now, so you have to look how other teams with an aging core have replaced first line players.

A) Develop (no time for that)

B) Draft (no time for that unless it's McDavid etc.)

C) Trade (tough to do)


The McDavid's & Sam Reinhart's are future #1 line guys and will help their teams sooner than later. Now let's correlate that to the Canucks. Herein lies the problem as it stands today.

My biggest thing against JB was Miller . I think we could have used the cap for scoring and D. Not a big deal but if I did say something negative about him it would be that.
- VANTEL

He can be a great goalie right now he is still a quality NHL starter. I personally would have liked to give Lack the go but getting Miller isn't a bad thing. His price tag is a bad thing though. He needs to stop struggling and shut it down or he will be moved at the deadline.

I think immediately for those that have the cap space. Beat the rush.
- VANTEL

Yeah i never understood the waiting for the last day BS.

Interesting call ups and scratches by Pens tonight. Showcasing young D and scratching Downie and Sutter. Get ready Edmonton
- VANTEL

Downie, Sutter and Greiss have the mumps, they were sent home for treatment.

My biggest thing against JB was Miller . I think we could have used the cap for scoring and D. Not a big deal but if I did say something negative about him it would be that.
- VANTEL

Yep. Not a bad move really to pick up an established goalie with a good/great track record. But we could have ran with Eddie if he had a good vet backup- but vet backups are a mixed bag too, so it was a safe move.

JB did address scoring by bringing in Vrbata, maybe not the player everyone wanted, but his addition is more than MG had done for a few seasons.


At the tdl, we should be sellers if we are going to barely be a playoff team. If we are in the race for the trophy, then all in baby!

Downie, Sutter and Greiss have the mumps, they were sent home for treatment.
- moondawg

ahh thanks