I'm old!!

O'Rielly is no more overvalued than every Leaf player by some Leaf fans.
- LeftCoaster

Fixed.

And find me a team whose fans don't overvalue their own players...

Different managers - apples and oranges
- LeftCoaster

If you can have a grapple, you can sure as poop have appanges!

For Contrast btw, Lupul would probably be more effective than Vrbata on your top line. Im almost 70% sure on that. Not even saying Vrbata is bad because he's not at all, im just trying to give you an idea on how big he is for the Leafs offense. He may be a bandaid but he's worth it imo. If he could ever stay healthy...fack lookout..
- Rysko81

Ya I wouldn't disagree, I like Lupul, he's always hurt though.

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And find me a team whose fans don't overvalue their own players...
- lumlums

Talking about trading a very young D with #1 potential written all over him for 2 years of a good and overpaid forward............. That's asinine...

People don't think about contracts when concocting their trade ideas.

I'm old!!

O'Rielly is no more overvalued than every Leaf player by Leaf fans.
- LeftCoaster

Yes, but unlike a tree, you can't tell your age from number of rings... you're a Nucks fan

Fixed.

And find me a team whose fans don't overvalue their own players...
- lumlums

True. We are fans at the end of the day. We all notice potential with certain performances that an outsider fan won't recognize, and we tend to overvalue our players because of it. Tis the way she goes.

Talking about trading a very young D with #1 potential written all over him for 2 years of a good and overpaid forward............. That's asinine...

People don't think about contracts when concocting their trade ideas.
- Mr_Smokey

There are not many folks I'd trade Rielly for that other teams would be willing to move; not that he's that good but I just wouldn't want to give up on the kid without being very strongly persuaded...

One player i would love the Leafs to go after, is Mikkel Boedker. I wonder what Phoenix would deal him for.

Fixed.

And find me a team whose fans don't overvalue their own players...
- lumlums

That's why these debates are comical.

There are not many folks I'd trade Rielly for that other teams would be willing to move; not that he's that good but I just wouldn't want to give up on the kid without being very strongly persuaded...
- lumlums

Look what mediocre D get in free agency, defense is extremely valuable and a top D is almost never available. You can find a O'Reilly every year in free agency.

Yes, but unlike a tree, you can't tell your age from number of rings... you're a Nucks fan
- lumlums

We do that with birthdays here in Canada, not sure how they do it in your country?

PS: they didn't have rings in the 20's 30's 40's 50's and 60's...

There are not many folks I'd trade Rielly for that other teams would be willing to move; not that he's that good but I just wouldn't want to give up on the kid without being very strongly persuaded...
- lumlums

D are much harder to come by than forwards. O'Reilly might be a good center but is he worth Rielly? I don't think so but the Leafs have plenty of young defenders that they can move for a center.

That's why these debates are comical.
- LeftCoaster

I don't know why ppl don't ever want to talk reasonably about deals on here. Alll ppl do is beak eachothers teams and don't recognize that trades can actually work out for both teams. We're all too proud lolll.

D are much harder to come by than forwards. O'Reilly might be a good center but is he worth Rielly? I don't think so but the Leafs have plenty of young defenders that they can move for a center.
- Dangles13

I before E.....I think this rule applies here for sure...but O'Reilly is a C....damn this shiet just got confusing.

We do that with birthdays here in Canada, not sure how they do it in your country?

PS: they didn't have rings in the 20's 30's 40's 50's and 60's...
- LeftCoaster

Our Football association had it's first birthday before your country

And I wouldn't know first hand... only one of us was alive then

I before E.....I think this rule applies here for sure...but O'Reilly is a C....damn this shiet just got confusing.
- Rysko81

Morgan is Rielly and Ryan is O'Reilly, super confusing lol. O'Reilly is a good center but he plays wing on Coloarado because they only have centers on the roster. I think most teams who trade for him would want to move him off the wing.

D are much harder to come by than forwards. O'Reilly might be a good center but is he worth Rielly? I don't think so but the Leafs have plenty of young defenders that they can move for a center.
- Dangles13

Especially at the minute our D is a weak point so the good guys are gonna be overvalued relatively speaking just due to that. O'Reilly is a fine hockey player, but has done nothing to suggest that he's a 1C yet, which is our real forward need...

Especially at the minute our D is a weak point so the good guys are gonna be overvalued relatively speaking just due to that. O'Reilly is a fine hockey player, but has done nothing to suggest that he's a 1C yet, which is our real forward need...
- lumlums

If the Leafs aren't convinced that they can resign Franson then they should look at moving him for a decent return. Gardiner seems to be very hated in Toronto circles right now, he might be moved for a young center.

If the Leafs aren't convinced that they can resign Franson then they should look at moving him for a decent return. Gardiner seems to be very hated in Toronto circles right now, he might be moved for a young center.
- Dangles13

Gardiner isn't worth a young center, of any value anyways, have you seen him play? He may have loads of potential but the kid has no clue how to defend.

Gardiner isn't worth a young center, of any value anyways, have you seen him play? He may have loads of potential but the kid has no clue how to defend.
- LeftCoaster

The thought is that Gardiner has tons of skill, good vision and is an excellent skater and a change of scenery namely a different coach will elevate his game. Not saying I agree with this entirely but the skill and skating is there.

If the Leafs aren't convinced that they can resign Franson then they should look at moving him for a decent return. Gardiner seems to be very hated in Toronto circles right now, he might be moved for a young center.
- Dangles13

In an ideal/won't happen scenario, Franson+ or Gardiner+ for O'Reilly could be very good.

I think Bozaks and Fransons values are high right now. Whether that means anything to GMs is unknown. Those two for O'Reilly would work for me (Based on perceived value).

All that aside, I don't think O'Reilly has proven enough to trade off the assets it would PROBABLY take.

Gardiner isn't worth a young center, of any value anyways, have you seen him play? He may have loads of potential but the kid has no clue how to defend.
- LeftCoaster

He's 24 with a couple of 30 point seasons under his belt. He's also only taking up 4 mil cap space, some western team that doesn't get to see his flaws all the time might be willing to take a chance.

Especially at the minute our D is a weak point so the good guys are gonna be overvalued relatively speaking just due to that. O'Reilly is a fine hockey player, but has done nothing to suggest that he's a 1C yet, which is our real forward need...
- lumlums

It's the same deal though, Morgan Rielly hasn't done anything to suggest he's going to be a #1 dman, is he talented, ABSOLUTELY, but it works both ways. You're dealing with potential when you're discussing these young guys.

Ryan O'Reilly at least has a 28 goal season as a 22 year old player, so I'd suggest his development is slightly futher along than Morgan Rielly's. Which is normal considering he plays forward and Morgan is a dman. They're only three years apart in age.

He's 24 with a couple of 30 point seasons under his belt. He's also only taking up 4 mil cap space, some western team that doesn't get to see his flaws all the time might be willing to take a chance.
- Dangles13

Every GM in the league knows of his flaws except Dave Nonis, mainly because he's an idiot.

He's 24 with a couple of 30 point seasons under his belt. He's also only taking up 4 mil cap space, some western team that doesn't get to see his flaws all the time might be willing to take a chance.
- Dangles13

The skill set is there. Not sure what the issue is. I think it's Carlyle trying to make him play to his weakness. Last year towards the end of the year when we played like poop he was by far our best defensmen. It seemed like he was playing his own way.