Not a fair comparison. I agree that loyalties are a downfall, but we have to accept it as a reality. No point in female doging about it.

Those guys weren't performing at an NHL level, the Sedins/Burrows are still legit NHL'ers. And they didn't spend years with those teams.
- Nucker101

People will be screaming for JBs head if he waits until this team just gets old and lets Burrows end his career here

Thought Redden's contract played a part in that too. Could prolly have used him in the third pairing but wouldn't have the cap space for what was needed in the top pairing.
- hillbillydeluxe

I don't know, eve after he was bought out he didn't stick around long, and was used as a 6/7 guy. If he didn't have the pedigree I doubt he would have even played as much as he did. Only played 29 games after that.

People will be screaming for JBs head if he waits until this team just gets old and lets Burrows end his career here
- VANTEL

I was more talking about the Sedins, I think he's more open to doing it with Burrows(rumours that he already did this past summer). Who knows what he thinks of Bieksa, but he's been worse than Burrows this year and would bring in a better return.

Hamhuis over Bieksa is a no-brainer. I hope he asks Bieksa for a list or at least floats the idea to him at the TDL and if he says no or wants to think about it, approach him again a week or two before the draft like Booner suggested. Ditto with Burrows, but I don't see him bringing in much of a return compared to Bieksa so that would be more so just to get out of that contract.
- Nucker101

Wondering if a team that needs to get to the cap floor would be interested in him...

I do hope Benning uses that approach.

Not a bad idea. Would Markstrom have to clear waivers to be called up to back up Lack.
- Scooby_Doo

Recall waivers have been eliminated since the new CBA.

I would like to take few games and look at

Bonino Hank Vrbata
Danny Horvat Hansen
Matthias Vey Burrows
Higgins Richardson Dorsett
- VANTEL

I think WD is done with major mix ups to the lines for a while. I don't blame him for wanting a different look...

I don't know, eve after he was bought out he didn't stick around long, and was used as a 6/7 guy. If he didn't have the pedigree I doubt he would have even played as much as he did. Only played 29 games after that.
- Nucker101

When he was in the minors making 6 mill or whatever, I am guessing a few teams would have been willing to have him for a million in their bottom pair.

But who knows if Sather looked into that or not or whatever else was going on behind the scenes. Both those contracts were short sighted pr moves to make a big splash. At least Burkie wasn't involved.

I was more talking about the Sedins, I think he's more open to doing it with Burrows(rumours that he already did this past summer). Who knows what he thinks of Bieksa, but he's been worse than Burrows this year and would bring in a better return.
- Nucker101

Everyone knows how I feel about the Sedins. If it was one contract you could live with it , the same as we did waiting for Naslunds to run out.

I could live with Hanks seeing he is a centre and it his job to dish . For me to see fair value in Dans contract at 7 mil I expect him to score 25 goals. I think we can all assume that is not going to happen

I think WD is done with major mix ups to the lines for a while. I don't blame him for wanting a different look...
- boonerbuck

Hopefully we are out of that little losing streak. Did like the lines proposed, at least to see a different look.

I think WD is done with major mix ups to the lines for a while. I don't blame him for wanting a different look...
- boonerbuck

Problem is if he doesnt try different things his top line could score about 40 goals which would be about 20-25 below the league average

I know he is trying to honour them, but it will be his downfall.
- VANTEL

Is he trying to honour them? I'm not so sure. He had no problem asking Garrison to waive. The problem with them, as far as I can see, is that you never get fair value back. I know the exact terms differ contract to contract, but when you only have a handful of teams to deal with, usually a contender (which automatically crosses a couple of possible teams off the list as contenders rarely have excess cap space), then you're not exactly dealing from a position of strength.

He's been a liability so far this year, despite the Canucks being a solid team in the league so far, so I don't buy the barometer thing at all. In fact, he was probably better last year when the team sucked.

Here are the team's goals against rates at 5v5(best to worst)

1. Tanev - 1.94
2. Edler - 2.18

3. Stanton - 2.83(sheltered minutes)

4. Weber - 3.60(sheltered minutes, so this is hilariously bad)
5. Sbisa - 3.71
6. Bieksa - 3.72(3rd-easiest minutes, and for his pay grade this is ridiculous)
7. Hamhuis - 3.79(smaller sample size, and sucked early on under Torts too)


Only Tanev, Edler and Stanton have played at a respectable level this year. Hopefully Hamhuis is just adjusting to a new system like he did last year and settles down. I'll give him more of a benefit of the doubt since he had the 2nd-best rate last year compared to Bieksa who was 2nd-worst on the team last year as well. Hamhuis plays harder minutes as well(more defensive zone starts and matched up against better players.
- Nucker101

Well done.

Hamhuis would be worth a mint. But in honour of you guys wanting to trade Kev how about this.

To Edm
Kevin Bieksa, Eddie Lack, Hunter Shinkaruk, 2015 1st

To Van
Taylor Hall

We get immediately better up front and add goals goals goals. Go after Boychuk in the offseason

My lines would be

Sedin Sedin Burr
Hall Bonino Vrbata
Matthias Horvat Higgins
Dorset Richie Hansen
Kass

Hamhuis would be worth a mint. But in honour of you guys wanting to trade Kev how about this.

To Edm
Kevin Bieksa, Eddie Lack, Hunter Shinkaruk, 2015 1st

To Van
Taylor Hall

We get immediately better up front and add goals goals goals. Go after Boychuk in the offseason
- The_Kuze

Where do I sign?

Hamhuis would be worth a mint. But in honour of you guys wanting to trade Kev how about this.

To Edm
Kevin Bieksa, Eddie Lack, Hunter Shinkaruk, 2015 1st

To Van
Taylor Hall

We get immediately better up front and add goals goals goals. Go after Boychuk in the offseason
- The_Kuze

Not gonna happen, but would do it in a heartbeat.

Problem is if he doesnt try different things his top line could score about 40 goals which would be about 20-25 below the league average
- VANTEL

I think the fkd up D is effecting all our forward line combinations. If there's a fire drill in our end, its usually the D's fault and our forwards are simply spending too much time in their own end recovering or in the neutral zone trying to move forward. Steady the D and the forward lines will start producing again.

I'd say Miller ... much like Luongo had during his worse play is losing confidence in the D in front of him. Too much of this on his mind... " I cant believe that idiot just fkd me again".

Until our back end stabilizes, shaky goaltending and non productive offense will the the norm.

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!














or it's a rumor?

Not gonna happen, but would do it in a heartbeat.
- hillbillydeluxe

I know but if we replaced Bieksa with Hamhuis wed probably have a shot

I think the fkd up D is effecting all our forward line combinations. If there's a fire drill in our end, its usually the D's fault and our forwards are simply spending too much time in their own end recovering or in the neutral zone trying to move forward. Steady the D and the forward lines will start producing again.

I'd say Miller ... much like Luongo had during his worse play is losing confidence in the D in front of him. Too much of this on his mind... " I cant believe that idiot just fkd me again".

Until our back end stabilizes, shaky goaltending and non productive offense will the the norm.
- boonerbuck

What he said.

Hamhuis would be worth a mint. But in honour of you guys wanting to trade Kev how about this.

To Edm
Kevin Bieksa, Eddie Lack, Hunter Shinkaruk, 2015 1st

To Van
Taylor Hall

We get immediately better up front and add goals goals goals. Go after Boychuk in the offseason

My lines would be

Sedin Sedin Burr
Hall Bonino Vrbata
Matthias Horvat Higgins
Dorset Richie Hansen
Kass
- The_Kuze

We'd be crazy to say no given what Hall would bring.

I think the fkd up D is effecting all our forward line combinations. If there's a fire drill in our end, its usually the D's fault and our forwards are simply spending too much time in their own end recovering or in the neutral zone trying to move forward. Steady the D and the forward lines will start producing again.

I'd say Miller ... much like Luongo had during his worse play is losing confidence in the D in front of him. Too much of this on his mind... " I cant believe that idiot just fkd me again".

Until our back end stabilizes, shaky goaltending and non productive offense will the the norm.
- boonerbuck

Bang on

Hamhuis would be worth a mint. But in honour of you guys wanting to trade Kev how about this.

To Edm
Kevin Bieksa, Eddie Lack, Hunter Shinkaruk, 2015 1st

To Van
Taylor Hall

We get immediately better up front and add goals goals goals. Go after Boychuk in the offseason

My lines would be

Sedin Sedin Burr
Hall Bonino Vrbata
Matthias Horvat Higgins
Dorset Richie Hansen
Kass
- The_Kuze

Sure, but you have to be the one who tells Bieksa one-on-one that he's going to EDM and has no choice. Let us know how it turns out.

I know but if we replaced Bieksa with Hamhuis wed probably have a shot
- The_Kuze

Or add Kassian or other piece.

They really need a 2nd or third line c like Matthias.

I know but if we replaced Bieksa with Hamhuis wed probably have a shot
- The_Kuze

They both wouldn't waive

I think the fkd up D is effecting all our forward line combinations. If there's a fire drill in our end, its usually the D's fault and our forwards are simply spending too much time in their own end recovering or in the neutral zone trying to move forward. Steady the D and the forward lines will start producing again.

I'd say Miller ... much like Luongo had during his worse play is losing confidence in the D in front of him. Too much of this on his mind... " I cant believe that idiot just fkd me again".

Until our back end stabilizes, shaky goaltending and non productive offense will the the norm.
- boonerbuck

I think there's definitely an element of that but after years of being on the Sabres while still putting up high numbers, even winning a Vezina, is it really worse here? Does Florida really have a better D than we do for Lu to put up those numbers?