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EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Dec 17 @ 10:11 PM ET
Actually I subscribed to hockey streams and watch all the Ice Hog games unless the Hawks are playing at the same time.
So, yes I have seen Brennan play and he is more prominent than the other defencemen that we have called up when I see them side by side.

- 67hawks


Of course Brennan does. He's an AHL star. He's a talented player in the offensive zone.

However, Brennan is a one-trick pony. He's a talented PP QB. Beyond that, what he does outside of the offensive zone and without the puck is why he will have a hard time sticking in the NHL - at least with a good club, and why he does not fit in Chicago. Brennan's lack of acumen in his own zone pretty much kills any chance of playing with the Hawks. It would drive Q nuts.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 17 @ 10:46 PM ET
Watched last night's game from Chattanooga on NHL Game Center, so was able to see all the other scores throughout the game. Some stuff from last night:

- Kings took a 2-1 lead into the 3rd period in STL, then gave up 3 goals in 2:30 in the middle of the 3rd, plus an empty netter to lose to the Blues 5-2. The Kings were out shot 8-1 in the 3rd period. Not sure what's up in LA, but they suck right now.

- Think the Blackhawks had a good 2nd period last night? The Coyotes out shot EDM 27-5 in the 2nd period. Arizona has beaten the Oilers 4 times this season.

- The Bruins, who are also teetering on the edge of the playoffs, went into the 3rd 1-1 in Nashville, traded goals with he Preds in the 3rd, then lost in the shootout. I'm sure Bruins fans are pleased they traded Tyler Seguin.

And Rundblad will never be more than a 6th defenseman in the NHL. Bad with the puck, weak around contact, and WTF was he doing taking a puck down below the goal line in the 3rd with a 3-1 lead? His bad decision lead directly to the breakaway and penalty shot.

- scottak


They are are always meh during the season. I recently dubbed them the LA Bickels.
NewToHockey
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.23.2010

Dec 17 @ 10:54 PM ET
Actually I subscribed to hockey streams and watch all the Ice Hog games unless the Hawks are playing at the same time.
So, yes I have seen Brennan play and he is more prominent than the other defencemen that we have called up when I see them side by side.

- 67hawks

Watching him on a regular basis, you honestly think that his defensive coverage is up to snuff enough that Q would trust him on the ice? With Q that comes first by far, otherwise we would have seen Clendenning in an Indian Head last year.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 17 @ 11:33 PM ET
>A few random thoughts from last night
>Hawks are much more effective when "attacking in layers"
>Shaw with a ton of flybys especially in his own zone -- his line seemed pinned-in a lot -- Shaw needs to bring some "stop and start" into his D game
>Sharp brought it when he came back, but looks very replaceable with his current effort shift to shift -- lots of coasting in his game
>Versteeg is playing great but needs to look for Richards more in the Ozone -- had him open for a good shot a few times but forced the puck to Kane who never got it cuz the Wild intercepted
>Liked Dahlbeck when he came up, but the NHL game seemed to get too fast for him as he played more games
>We'll see if bottom pairing Dmen can handle the pace and decision-making needed at the NHL level

- SnapitUpstairs

Shaw looks beat up and tired to me at times. The heart is willing but the legs aren't moving as well.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 18 @ 12:23 AM ET
They are are always meh during the season. I recently dubbed them the LA Bickels.
- bogiedoc


That's because Sutter manages the regular season to get to the playoffs on a roll...Same can be said with Babcock. Both are at the opposite end of the spectrum from Quenneville.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 18 @ 12:51 AM ET
That's because Sutter manages the regular season to get to the playoffs on a roll...Same can be said with Babcock. Both are at the opposite end of the spectrum from Quenneville.
- Al


Al, could you add to this? I don't follow king hockey....how does he manage differently? It looks to me they are just not playing well.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Dec 18 @ 9:33 AM ET
That's because Sutter manages the regular season to get to the playoffs on a roll...Same can be said with Babcock. Both are at the opposite end of the spectrum from Quenneville.
- Al



I'd laugh my ass off if they missed the playoffs.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Dec 18 @ 9:46 AM ET
Shaw looks beat up and tired to me at times. The heart is willing but the legs aren't moving as well.
- Al


From having to play C, as opposed to the slightly easier responsibility of a winger?
MNHawk
Location: Richfield, MN
Joined: 07.18.2014

Dec 18 @ 10:34 AM ET
That's because Sutter manages the regular season to get to the playoffs on a roll...Same can be said with Babcock. Both are at the opposite end of the spectrum from Quenneville.
- Al


Really good article on ESPN about the King's struggles. It's an Insider article (means you have to be an Insider member).

http://insider.espn.go.co...nhl?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Yeah Boyes
St Louis Blues
Location: Ekland, MO
Joined: 04.20.2009

Dec 18 @ 10:41 AM ET
Really good article on ESPN about the King's struggles. It's an Insider article (means you have to be an Insider member).

http://insider.espn.go.co...nhl?ex_cid=espnapi_public

- MNHawk


Can you c/p the text here? Or does that violate the terms of use?
MNHawk
Location: Richfield, MN
Joined: 07.18.2014

Dec 18 @ 10:47 AM ET
Can you c/p the text here? Or does that violate the terms of use?
- Yeah Boyes


Did this work? EDITED: Looks like it did but you lose the graphs and pictures.

Are the Kings finally vulnerable?
Why their possession stats are down, and whether they can reverse course
Originally Published: December 10, 2014

The Kings' Stanley Cup defense has not gotten off to a great start thus far this season.
Hockey analytics pioneer Rob Vollman is ESPN Insider's armchair GM this season, exploring how modern statistics can inform front-office decisions.

When the Los Angeles Kings hoisted the Stanley Cup this past June, they stood not only as the league's champions but also as the best possession team in the NHL for the previous three seasons combined -- and by quite a margin. And yet, here we are one-third of the way into the new season, and the Kings rank 22nd in terms of possession, enduring the steepest drop-off that has been observed since these metrics were first recorded eight years ago.

Based on my research, the issue starts along the defensive-zone blue line. The Kings have historically been a team that forces the dump-and-chase from opponents, but a couple of key absences and some early-season lapses have allowed opponents to enter L.A.'s zone with control of the puck more frequently than normal, and consequently to attempt far more shots.

So far, these defensive problems have been countered by exceptional play from netminders Jonathan Quick and Martin Jones, but what happens if and when they drop back down to normal? The Kings started off a strong 6-1-1 thanks to a perfect homestand, but have been a mediocre 8-7-4 since then, including a 3-4-4 record on the road, and have consequently slid to fourth in the Pacific Division. A failure by Quick to remain at the Vezina Trophy level could be all it takes for last season's champions to hit the links early this spring.

But why exactly has their possession been down so much this season, and what -- if anything -- can be done about it? Let's explore.

Possession is king
Placing all the mathematical studies aside, it makes rational sense that a drop in possession is worthy of concern, as discussed in a bit more detail in last month's piece about how to improve Corsi. Shooting and save percentages go up and down with almost complete unpredictability, but getting the puck and gaining the zone are skills that should generally remain within a team's control from game to game, and month to month.

That's why a drop in possession numbers tends to signal an eventual drop in the standings, too. Consider what happened to the Colorado Avalanche this season, or the Toronto Maple Leafs last season, or even the Minnesota Wild the season before, and it becomes obvious why a similar trend should be distressing in Los Angeles.

To illustrate the point, consider the following chart. According to a calculation that's based on the percentage of all attempted shots taken at even strength in close-game situations, the Kings have historically been in possession of the puck well over 55 percent of the time, according to the data tabulated at behindthenet.ca. Now, all of a sudden, they're down below 50 percent, and in the bottom third of the league.

Rob Vollman
Digging deeper into the numbers, the problem is almost exclusively on the defensive side of the ice. While the Kings are generating the usual number of shot attempts and scoring chances for themselves, they're allowing far more than usual from their opponents. As a quick and simple example, Quick has gone from facing a paltry 24.4 shots per 60 minutes last season to 31.2 so far this season. Without his career-high .931 save percentage, and an equally ridiculous .947 from Jones the backup, this team would already be in hot water.

Shot quality is not a factor
Whenever a team is allowing a lot more shots without allowing more goals, it's often suggested by some fans and analysts that it has simply devised a sustainable system that reduces the quality of those shots. While it remains a theoretical possibility, this strategy is yet to be proved effective to any significant degree over the long term.

Could this be what's happening in Los Angeles? Unfortunately, the unavailability of quality shot data is one of the greatest limitations to outside observers. The data we do have access to, however, does not point in the direction of reduced shot quality. For instance, based on the NHL data aggregated by the Sporting Charts Ice Tracker, we know that the average distance of the shots Quick has faced this season has decreased by only a few inches, from 33.8 to 33.1 feet, and the types of shots are essentially the same.

It's possible that the Kings are allowing fewer shots on the rush, which are generally a bit more dangerous. Based on the data compiled by David Johnson of HockeyAnalysis.com during the previous three seasons (2011-12 through 2013-14), opponents scored on 8.6 percent of such shots against the Kings, and just 6.9 percent otherwise. So if the team has found a way to reduce the 25.9 percent of opposing shots that came off the rush, which was second most in the league (ahead of only the Florida Panthers), that could certainly have an impact. Unfortunately, such data isn't currently available midseason, leaving us somewhat in the dark.

Dumping the dump-and-chase
One thing we are certain about is that the Kings are allowing a lot more shot attempts. Where are they all coming from?

Answering that requires an understanding of all the little things that possession represents. Above all, these metrics are meant as catch-all abstractions of how frequently a team wins all the little battles for the puck. If the Kings win faceoffs, block passes, create turnovers, get the puck out of the defensive zone, win neutral-zone battles, carry the puck into the offensive zone and win all the little fights to create scoring chances, then it will show in their possession totals. Which of these has been missing in Los Angeles this season?

Losing Slava Voynov to suspension has had a ripple effect on the makeup of the Kings' blue-line group.
In my view, the most likely culprit is controlled-zone entries. James Nicholson of L.A. Kings Insider has been closely studying the team's zone entries this season. That includes measuring how many attempts were made with and without control of the puck, for both the Kings and their opponents, including how many shots were generated with each entry (with and without control). Obviously, this is a very obscure and unofficial record, but it's the sort of information that analytics-savvy teams like the Kings are doubtlessly tracking for themselves.

Historically, the Kings have been a classic example of a team that forces the dump-and-chase, and therefore denies opponents a controlled entry into its defensive zone. Based on the data provided for Hockey Abstract 2014 by Corey Sznajder -- now a consultant for an unspecified NHL team -- L.A.'s opponents carried the puck into its zone just 40.0 percent of the time in 2013-14, the league's lowest rate. The Kings carried the puck in 42.5 percent of the time themselves, which was also among the lowest. Even to the eye test, there's no question that coach Darryl Sutter's system has resulted in a lot of skating and hitting at both ends throughout the regular season and the playoffs.

Nicholson's data confirms that there's no (new) problem on the offensive side of the spectrum, where the Kings have actually improved to 44.5 percent controlled entries, but that they are now allowing opponents to gain their own zone with control of the puck 45.1 percent of the time. Given that opponents average 0.64 shots per controlled entry and only 0.28 otherwise, that could easily explain the increase in shots against.

Furthermore, the Kings forced 7.8 failed entries per game through the first five games, which is counted as any time they cause a turnover or an offside. That's back when they were still winning games and doing well, possession-wise. Since then, however, they have caused just 3.6 failed entries per game. We're definitely on to something, but why is this happening?

The blue-line mix
The failure to prevent controlled-zone entries could be the consequence of a deliberate change in the defensive system by Sutter, or potentially an inability to keep the team playing the old one. After all, he isn't exactly working with the same blue line that won the Stanley Cup this past June.

Based on these pie charts of how the team's even-strength ice time has been allocated, the two most significant blue-line absences are the suspended Slava Voynov and the departed Willie Mitchell, the latter of whom signed with Florida to work on its defensive-minded second pairing. That has forced Sutter to heap extra playing time on his only remaining top-four defensemen, Drew Doughty and Jake Muzzin, move Alec Martinez up into the top four with Robyn Regehr (when they're healthy), and test the team's depth by making Matt Greene a regular, and adding Brayden McNabb and Jamie McBain to the mix.


Rob Vollman
The end result isn't entirely unpredictable. Defensemen come in all different varieties, and these aren't exactly the kind that make it difficult to gain the zone. There are puck-movers who specialize in breaking out of the zone and/or gaining the offensive zone, and shutdown defensemen who tend to focus on denying entry into the defensive zone and/or clearing away screens and rebounds once they do. The loss of Voynov and Mitchell deprived Sutter of a key weapon of each variety, and left him with several nights when he had just one top pairing and a bunch of crease-clearers otherwise.

Of course, that's not to let the forwards off the hook, because they have a big responsibility for defensive play, too. Dom Luszczyszyn of the Hockey News completed an excellent analysis of how offensive shot generation has increased with only Marian Gaborik, Trevor Lewis and Tanner Pearson on the ice, the first two being the only ones who haven't allowed massive shot increases by the team's opponents. Steve Burtch went a step further and really singled out Dustin Brown and Jarret Stoll, the former similarly criticized by Vinh Cao of Bleacher Report.

The bottom line, however, is that a few blue-line absences, combined with some disappointing lapses up front, have extinguished L.A.'s reputation of being a difficult defensive zone to enter. That has had a ripple effect throughout the team's game, dragging down its overall possession numbers, and could threaten to pull it out of the playoff picture, too.

What should happen
When a team's possession numbers suddenly plummet, normally that signals an imminent drop in the standings. But when it happens to the Los Angeles Kings, the defending Stanley Cup champions and one of the more analytics-savvy teams in the NHL, it's natural to wonder if they're simply moving on to a newly developed defensive system that allows more shots of a lesser quality.

Whatever they're up to, allowing opponents to enter the defensive zone in control of the puck has resulted in a lot more shot attempts and scoring opportunities -- that certainly doesn't strike me as a winning strategy in the long term. If Quick's save percentage drops back down to normal, the Kings could become the first Stanley Cup champion since the 2006 Carolina Hurricanes to miss the playoffs entirely the following season.
Yeah Boyes
St Louis Blues
Location: Ekland, MO
Joined: 04.20.2009

Dec 18 @ 10:55 AM ET
Thanks!
MNHawk
Location: Richfield, MN
Joined: 07.18.2014

Dec 18 @ 10:57 AM ET
My pleasure.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 18 @ 11:30 AM ET
Al, could you add to this? I don't follow king hockey....how does he manage differently? It looks to me they are just not playing well.
- bogiedoc


Just about every year they don't seem to get geared up until late in season....I don't think it matters as much to guys like Sutter or Babcock if they finished 1-2 in seeding or 6-7.

That said the Kings could be due for an off season....They have had a great run recently.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 18 @ 11:35 AM ET
From having to play C, as opposed to the slightly easier responsibility of a winger?
- John Jaeckel

Probably doesn't help but he gets hits a lot away from the puck...Everyone tries to finish Shaw on a check and he gets no favors from refs. The other night he got whacked in the head a few times...no call.

Also after he got into that fight on the road trip he missed a game. He might be nursing some nagging injuries because he plays hard every night.

Shaw is like Smith...They fill a big need for Hawks but Smith is a bigger, stronger player that probably can hold up better.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 18 @ 11:37 AM ET
Did this work? EDITED: Looks like it did but you lose the graphs and pictures.

Are the Kings finally vulnerable?
Why their possession stats are down, and whether they can reverse course
Originally Published: December 10, 2014

The Kings' Stanley Cup defense has not gotten off to a great start thus far this season.
Hockey analytics pioneer Rob Vollman is ESPN Insider's armchair GM this season, exploring how modern statistics can inform front-office decisions.

When the Los Angeles Kings hoisted the Stanley Cup this past June, they stood not only as the league's champions but also as the best possession team in the NHL for the previous three seasons combined -- and by quite a margin. And yet, here we are one-third of the way into the new season, and the Kings rank 22nd in terms of possession, enduring the steepest drop-off that has been observed since these metrics were first recorded eight years ago.

Based on my research, the issue starts along the defensive-zone blue line. The Kings have historically been a team that forces the dump-and-chase from opponents, but a couple of key absences and some early-season lapses have allowed opponents to enter L.A.'s zone with control of the puck more frequently than normal, and consequently to attempt far more shots.

So far, these defensive problems have been countered by exceptional play from netminders Jonathan Quick and Martin Jones, but what happens if and when they drop back down to normal? The Kings started off a strong 6-1-1 thanks to a perfect homestand, but have been a mediocre 8-7-4 since then, including a 3-4-4 record on the road, and have consequently slid to fourth in the Pacific Division. A failure by Quick to remain at the Vezina Trophy level could be all it takes for last season's champions to hit the links early this spring.

But why exactly has their possession been down so much this season, and what -- if anything -- can be done about it? Let's explore.

Possession is king
Placing all the mathematical studies aside, it makes rational sense that a drop in possession is worthy of concern, as discussed in a bit more detail in last month's piece about how to improve Corsi. Shooting and save percentages go up and down with almost complete unpredictability, but getting the puck and gaining the zone are skills that should generally remain within a team's control from game to game, and month to month.

That's why a drop in possession numbers tends to signal an eventual drop in the standings, too. Consider what happened to the Colorado Avalanche this season, or the Toronto Maple Leafs last season, or even the Minnesota Wild the season before, and it becomes obvious why a similar trend should be distressing in Los Angeles.

To illustrate the point, consider the following chart. According to a calculation that's based on the percentage of all attempted shots taken at even strength in close-game situations, the Kings have historically been in possession of the puck well over 55 percent of the time, according to the data tabulated at behindthenet.ca. Now, all of a sudden, they're down below 50 percent, and in the bottom third of the league.

Rob Vollman
Digging deeper into the numbers, the problem is almost exclusively on the defensive side of the ice. While the Kings are generating the usual number of shot attempts and scoring chances for themselves, they're allowing far more than usual from their opponents. As a quick and simple example, Quick has gone from facing a paltry 24.4 shots per 60 minutes last season to 31.2 so far this season. Without his career-high .931 save percentage, and an equally ridiculous .947 from Jones the backup, this team would already be in hot water.

Shot quality is not a factor
Whenever a team is allowing a lot more shots without allowing more goals, it's often suggested by some fans and analysts that it has simply devised a sustainable system that reduces the quality of those shots. While it remains a theoretical possibility, this strategy is yet to be proved effective to any significant degree over the long term.

Could this be what's happening in Los Angeles? Unfortunately, the unavailability of quality shot data is one of the greatest limitations to outside observers. The data we do have access to, however, does not point in the direction of reduced shot quality. For instance, based on the NHL data aggregated by the Sporting Charts Ice Tracker, we know that the average distance of the shots Quick has faced this season has decreased by only a few inches, from 33.8 to 33.1 feet, and the types of shots are essentially the same.

It's possible that the Kings are allowing fewer shots on the rush, which are generally a bit more dangerous. Based on the data compiled by David Johnson of HockeyAnalysis.com during the previous three seasons (2011-12 through 2013-14), opponents scored on 8.6 percent of such shots against the Kings, and just 6.9 percent otherwise. So if the team has found a way to reduce the 25.9 percent of opposing shots that came off the rush, which was second most in the league (ahead of only the Florida Panthers), that could certainly have an impact. Unfortunately, such data isn't currently available midseason, leaving us somewhat in the dark.

Dumping the dump-and-chase
One thing we are certain about is that the Kings are allowing a lot more shot attempts. Where are they all coming from?

Answering that requires an understanding of all the little things that possession represents. Above all, these metrics are meant as catch-all abstractions of how frequently a team wins all the little battles for the puck. If the Kings win faceoffs, block passes, create turnovers, get the puck out of the defensive zone, win neutral-zone battles, carry the puck into the offensive zone and win all the little fights to create scoring chances, then it will show in their possession totals. Which of these has been missing in Los Angeles this season?

Losing Slava Voynov to suspension has had a ripple effect on the makeup of the Kings' blue-line group.
In my view, the most likely culprit is controlled-zone entries. James Nicholson of L.A. Kings Insider has been closely studying the team's zone entries this season. That includes measuring how many attempts were made with and without control of the puck, for both the Kings and their opponents, including how many shots were generated with each entry (with and without control). Obviously, this is a very obscure and unofficial record, but it's the sort of information that analytics-savvy teams like the Kings are doubtlessly tracking for themselves.

Historically, the Kings have been a classic example of a team that forces the dump-and-chase, and therefore denies opponents a controlled entry into its defensive zone. Based on the data provided for Hockey Abstract 2014 by Corey Sznajder -- now a consultant for an unspecified NHL team -- L.A.'s opponents carried the puck into its zone just 40.0 percent of the time in 2013-14, the league's lowest rate. The Kings carried the puck in 42.5 percent of the time themselves, which was also among the lowest. Even to the eye test, there's no question that coach Darryl Sutter's system has resulted in a lot of skating and hitting at both ends throughout the regular season and the playoffs.

Nicholson's data confirms that there's no (new) problem on the offensive side of the spectrum, where the Kings have actually improved to 44.5 percent controlled entries, but that they are now allowing opponents to gain their own zone with control of the puck 45.1 percent of the time. Given that opponents average 0.64 shots per controlled entry and only 0.28 otherwise, that could easily explain the increase in shots against.

Furthermore, the Kings forced 7.8 failed entries per game through the first five games, which is counted as any time they cause a turnover or an offside. That's back when they were still winning games and doing well, possession-wise. Since then, however, they have caused just 3.6 failed entries per game. We're definitely on to something, but why is this happening?

The blue-line mix
The failure to prevent controlled-zone entries could be the consequence of a deliberate change in the defensive system by Sutter, or potentially an inability to keep the team playing the old one. After all, he isn't exactly working with the same blue line that won the Stanley Cup this past June.

Based on these pie charts of how the team's even-strength ice time has been allocated, the two most significant blue-line absences are the suspended Slava Voynov and the departed Willie Mitchell, the latter of whom signed with Florida to work on its defensive-minded second pairing. That has forced Sutter to heap extra playing time on his only remaining top-four defensemen, Drew Doughty and Jake Muzzin, move Alec Martinez up into the top four with Robyn Regehr (when they're healthy), and test the team's depth by making Matt Greene a regular, and adding Brayden McNabb and Jamie McBain to the mix.


Rob Vollman
The end result isn't entirely unpredictable. Defensemen come in all different varieties, and these aren't exactly the kind that make it difficult to gain the zone. There are puck-movers who specialize in breaking out of the zone and/or gaining the offensive zone, and shutdown defensemen who tend to focus on denying entry into the defensive zone and/or clearing away screens and rebounds once they do. The loss of Voynov and Mitchell deprived Sutter of a key weapon of each variety, and left him with several nights when he had just one top pairing and a bunch of crease-clearers otherwise.

Of course, that's not to let the forwards off the hook, because they have a big responsibility for defensive play, too. Dom Luszczyszyn of the Hockey News completed an excellent analysis of how offensive shot generation has increased with only Marian Gaborik, Trevor Lewis and Tanner Pearson on the ice, the first two being the only ones who haven't allowed massive shot increases by the team's opponents. Steve Burtch went a step further and really singled out Dustin Brown and Jarret Stoll, the former similarly criticized by Vinh Cao of Bleacher Report.

The bottom line, however, is that a few blue-line absences, combined with some disappointing lapses up front, have extinguished L.A.'s reputation of being a difficult defensive zone to enter. That has had a ripple effect throughout the team's game, dragging down its overall possession numbers, and could threaten to pull it out of the playoff picture, too.

What should happen
When a team's possession numbers suddenly plummet, normally that signals an imminent drop in the standings. But when it happens to the Los Angeles Kings, the defending Stanley Cup champions and one of the more analytics-savvy teams in the NHL, it's natural to wonder if they're simply moving on to a newly developed defensive system that allows more shots of a lesser quality.

Whatever they're up to, allowing opponents to enter the defensive zone in control of the puck has resulted in a lot more shot attempts and scoring opportunities -- that certainly doesn't strike me as a winning strategy in the long term. If Quick's save percentage drops back down to normal, the Kings could become the first Stanley Cup champion since the 2006 Carolina Hurricanes to miss the playoffs entirely the following season.

- MNHawk


When a player is lost that can help turn plays and prevent goals it can make a big difference.
FourFeathers773
Joined: 12.02.2011

Dec 18 @ 12:03 PM ET
James Mirtle ‏@mirtle · 2m2 minutes ago
Predators put Viktor Stalberg on waivers
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Dec 18 @ 12:19 PM ET
Probably doesn't help but he gets hits a lot away from the puck...Everyone tries to finish Shaw on a check and he gets no favors from refs. The other night he got whacked in the head a few times...no call.

Also after he got into that fight on the road trip he missed a game. He might be nursing some nagging injuries because he plays hard every night.

Shaw is like Smith...They fill a big need for Hawks but Smith is a bigger, stronger player that probably can hold up better.

- Al


Fairly predictable that a smaller guy who plays the game like Shaw does would start to show the wear and tear. I think he has been beat up ever since Stoner hit him in the playoffs last year and there is also a price to be paid for standing in front of the net on the PP.

I haven't like his overall game much this year, especially defensively. A week or 10 days off to recharge physically wouldn't hurt him.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Dec 18 @ 12:32 PM ET
James Mirtle ‏@mirtle · 2m2 minutes ago
Predators put Viktor Stalberg on waivers

- FourFeathers773


Smart move letting Stalberg walk. Unless someone claims him Poile is paying him until 2017-18.

I wonder if this is going to be another contract termination.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Dec 18 @ 12:33 PM ET
Fairly predictable that a smaller guy who plays the game like Shaw does would start to show the wear and tear. I think he has been beat up ever since Stoner hit him in the playoffs last year and there is also a price to be paid for standing in front of the net on the PP.

I haven't like his overall game much this year, especially defensively. A week or 10 days off to recharge physically wouldn't hurt him.

- RickJ


Hope they get Shaw rested before the POs. Have to wonder why they aren't giving Hossa an occasional night off.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 18 @ 1:14 PM ET
Hope they get Shaw rested before the POs. Have to wonder why they aren't giving Hossa an occasional night off.
- tredbrta


Schedule was bad recently..congested, but not too bad before then. Hossa practices when he wants so that is the way for him to recharge.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 18 @ 1:18 PM ET
Smart move letting Stalberg walk. Unless someone claims him Poile is paying him until 2017-18.

I wonder if this is going to be another contract termination.

- tredbrta


It's amazing to me Poile hasn't come under more scrutiny since losing Suter....Mistake from the beginning on Stalberg as he was desperate to fine a goal scorer.

There were reasons Stalberg never could score as much as thought with his size and speed. Fundamentally poor and never would make anyone else on his line better.
biegs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 18 @ 1:19 PM ET
James Mirtle ‏@mirtle · 2m2 minutes ago
Predators put Viktor Stalberg on waivers

- FourFeathers773


LOL
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Dec 18 @ 1:34 PM ET
James Mirtle ‏@mirtle · 2m2 minutes ago
Predators put Viktor Stalberg on waivers

- FourFeathers773



Prolly be claimed by the Oilers ! LOLOLOLOL
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Dec 18 @ 1:37 PM ET
It's amazing to me Poile hasn't come under more scrutiny since losing Suter....Mistake from the beginning on Stalberg as he was desperate to fine a goal scorer.

There were reasons Stalberg never could score as much as thought with his size and speed. Fundamentally poor and never would make anyone else on his line better.

- Al


Most of Poile's moves have been solid. Rinne is finally earning those $$ after the injury. Stalberg was a mistake but Josi, Ellis and Jones along with Weber make them a scary team. Also, Forsberg for Erat may have been one of the top fleecings of the last decade. The Preds defensemen and some of the forward speed and grit have made them solid so far and I guess Rinne makes them a playoff worry but I really can't see a team with Mikey "JEJO" Ribeiro at 1C getting anywhere that matters. Poile's best move may have been finding a way for Ribeiro to pass his drug tests.
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