thanks... I'd replace BB with kapanan if that helps.
- ChrisMS

Yeah it would take some tweaking....but for people who say it is just scraps

Yeah it would take some tweaking....but for people who say it is just scraps
- The-O-G

hall is a top 20 player in the league... gonna cost a lot. but that deal was in the ballpark. see people argue both sides of it on the board and that tells me is quite debatable. bottom line is if hall has to be traded (and sometimes stars do have to be moved)then the team getting the star almost always wins. sorry charlie. exception might have been lindros trade.

thanks... I'd replace BB with kapanan if that helps.
- ChrisMS

U can throw in the Pens top 4 prospects in the deal, it defeats the purpose of what the Oilers need now, not in 2-4yrs if u get my point. Sutter would have to be replaced.


Can u guaranty that all the prospects will be an impact NHL player?? that is being offered into the proposed deal??

U can throw in the Pens top 4 prospects in the deal, it defeats the purpose of what the Oilers need now, not in 2-4yrs if u get my point. Sutter would have to be replaced.


Can u guaranty that all the prospects will be an impact NHL player?? that is being offered into the proposed deal??
- Ur Not Me

3 of the Pens top 4 prospects (Pouliot, Harrington, Dumoulin) are largely considered NHL ready, they are just stuck behind a logjam of defensive depth, which sucks for them, but I also don't mind because it gives them more playing time in WBS to hone their skill some more.

late to the party, i dont think he is one of the players that should be moved
id move pretty much anyone else off the roster besides him... maybe even RNH before hall

huh... a top 20 prospect in the league, a 2-3 center, a 1st rounder, a former first round pcik with bad luck (ok I'm selling that one) and a guy thrown in for cap purposes that could be swung for another top 60 pick. tell me who beats that deal? waiting for your offers that might fetch a malkin in 3...2....1....
- ChrisMS

even your hard sell makes it sound like a poopty deal

U can throw in the Pens top 4 prospects in the deal, it defeats the purpose of what the Oilers need now, not in 2-4yrs if u get my point. Sutter would have to be replaced.


Can u guaranty that all the prospects will be an impact NHL player?? that is being offered into the proposed deal??
- Ur Not Me

no one can... the oilers dont trade hall unless they are going for futures... cause nobody is gonna trade current top players for him. no team is gonna sacrifice current depth for a playoff run for him and the teams that are out of the playoffs are in the same position as the oilers. what oilers need now IS taylor Hall. they only move him if they are looking to break it down once again.

Wait for it, wait for it,

EDM
Kadri
Gardiner/Franson
1st

TOR
Hall


Did I nail it or what?

even your hard sell makes it sound like a poopty deal
- DoubleDown

waiting for a better idea that makes sense for both teams...

yawn

3 of the Pens top 4 prospects (Pouliot, Harrington, Dumoulin) are largely considered NHL ready, they are just stuck behind a logjam of defensive depth, which sucks for them, but I also don't mind because it gives them more playing time in WBS to hone their skill some more.
- j.boyd919

To add to your assessment, with the Pens salary cap situation its better for the team to hold onto the young Dmen bc it will only benefit the team..... Not trade away......

late to the party, i dont think he is one of the players that should be moved
id move pretty much anyone else off the roster besides him... maybe even RNH before hall
- nightmare3020

to me it all depends who/where they end up drafting. if they end up with one of the two stud Cs, then maybe it makes more sense to dangle RNH, with Draisaitl in the fold.

Honestly I wouldn't consider Sutter, Pouliot, and Ehrhoff scraps... they're all very good players, except for Pouliot who hasn't proven anything at an NHL level. Sutter is playing the best hockey of his career right now and Ehrhoff has been extremely reliable on the Pens blue line. Although, I know where you're coming from.. the thing with the whole asking price thing for Hall is... why is a team going to get rid of a top two center for a top line winger? The whole reason they want that winger is to play with their top centers... same goes with Defense and Goalie... teams don't just trade top guys... Edmonton is likely never going to get the value that they should for Hall, it's very unlikely UNLESS you find like that next Hall for "Seguin type" trade.. that's the only way Edmonton gets the right value...
- j.boyd919

I guess it was the wrong term to use, I've actaully always been a fan of Ehroff, and Sutter would automatically be our 2nd best center

Considering Hornqvist is currently on pace for 32 goals and 76 points compared to Neal's 31 goals and 51 points, I'd say they're pretty similar players.
- BINGO!

Neil is on a 30 goal pace with a scrub center right now. Hornquist is a .62 ppg Neil is a .75. It was basically a swap of the two as I dont consider spaling much of a piece. It was a downgrade production wise.

no one can... the oilers dont trade hall unless they are going for futures... cause nobody is gonna trade current top players for him. no team is gonna sacrifice current depth for a playoff run for him and the teams that are out of the playoffs are in the same position as the oilers. what oilers need now IS taylor Hall. they only move him if they are looking to break it down once again.
- ChrisMS

A Hall trade would happen in off-season bc more suitors & time to reconstruct team and direction.

The bolded part, not necessarily true.....

Neil is on a 30 goal pace with a scrub center right now. Hornquist is a .62 ppg Neil is a .75. It was basically a swap of the two as I dont consider spaling much of a piece. It was a downgrade production wise.
- mnhockeyguy

thats as a maybe... but neal was poophead and the team was more that happy to wash their hands of him. hornqvuist is awesome, hard working, and clean. neal is a pouty baby who takes stupid penalties when the going gets rough

Neil is on a 30 goal pace with a scrub center right now. Hornquist is a .62 ppg Neil is a .75. It was basically a swap of the two as I dont consider spaling much of a piece. It was a downgrade production wise.
- mnhockeyguy

They traded Neal because they didn't like the guy. It sounded like he was bad dude in the locker room as in causing fights and other issues. They were never going to get equal value but I still think they did a decent job with their return.

thats as a maybe... but neal was poophead and the team was more that happy to wash their hands of him. hornqvuist is awesome, hard working, and clean. neal is a pouty baby who takes stupid penalties when the going gets rough
- ChrisMS

So is crosby...

A Hall trade would happen in off-season bc more suitors & time to reconstruct team and direction.

The bolded part, not necessarily true.....
- Ur Not Me

the only exception might be a team with players waiting in the wings... actually.. the wings are a good example

might the wings move a coule young guys... tater, jurco, etc with mantha waiting in the wings? maybe move tater, jurco, smith? point is oilers wont get multiple top 6 or top 4 d in the deal. maybe some young third liners that could develop or young d that can develop, but moving core peices doesnt make sense for the team aquiring hall. hall has proven he is an icing on the cake player... not a star who can lead a team to victory. you dont build around him.

sutter is replacable by goc, DP is replacable by letang/maatta/harrington/doumalin, BB is bad luck maybe needs a restart, 1st rounder would be required to get hall (plus it might be the 30th pick ) and erhoff was for cap purposes
- ChrisMS

And your team would be gutted. This destroys all the work Rutherford has already put in to try and rebuild decent depth.

Your defence becomes exponentially worse without Erhoff. This turns you into the Rangers of the early 2000's.

So is crosby...
- rangerdanger94

touche. skay... someday the rangers will get a real top line center again... its bound to happen

Neil is on a 30 goal pace with a scrub center right now. Hornquist is a .62 ppg Neil is a .75. It was basically a swap of the two as I dont consider spaling much of a piece. It was a downgrade production wise.
- mnhockeyguy

It depends on the type of production we are talking about to be completely honest. Yes, in the regular season it was a slight downgrade, BUT Neal has been extremely disappointing in the playoffs in Pittsburgh, and when Rutherford came in he said he is trying to build this team for playoff success... Now comparing the types of players Neal and Horny are, I would say that Hornqvist is more suited for playoff hockey, although it has yet to be proven, as long as the Pens make the playoffs and he's healthy, we should get an idea of whether or not this trade worked as GMJR expected and then, and only then could this trade fully be evaluated, because after all, that's what the trade was for.. success in the post season.

And your team would be gutted. This destroys all the work Rutherford has already put in to try and rebuild decent depth.

Your defence becomes exponentially worse without Erhoff. This turns you into the Rangers of the early 2000's.
- BINGO!

Totally agree with you, that is not a trade that I would want to make as a Pens fan at all.

And your team would be gutted. This destroys all the work Rutherford has already put in to try and rebuild decent depth.

Your defence becomes exponentially worse without Erhoff. This turns you into the Rangers of the early 2000's.
- BINGO!

erhoff is replacable. time to see harrington and doumalin. only current peice thats a mojor loss is sutter and hall would more than make up for his loss depth wise.

touche. skay... someday the rangers will get a real top line center again... its bound to happen
- ChrisMS

Probably not. We tend to finish higher than 30th in the league.

So is crosby...
- rangerdanger94

True... but I believe Crosby's 114 points in 95 career playoff games outweighs Neal's 22 points in 33... I do find it funny you tried to bring Crosby into this argument though.