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Rally_Shots
Joined: 07.24.2008

Dec 16 @ 1:53 PM ET
I still say your genius will not be fully known until your time is up with your offer and idea.

Myers++ for Hall equals a step back this season only IMO for this team for the reasons laid out about how the defense will play as a unit without Myers. That would mean they turned Myers++ into Hall and a likely top 3 pick. Genius, my friend.

That said, it won't happen because I believe the ++ will be way too much to add in along with Myers.

Does Myers, Compher, Grigorenko, Makarov, & a late 1st this year get it done?

- kingcong39



That is a bit much IMO. That's a boat load of assets for one player (albeit a good one)
theblueandgold
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Denzel, WA
Joined: 03.05.2009

Dec 16 @ 1:53 PM ET
If Murray decides to change directions with this rebuild and calls about Hall, and the Oilers are asking for any of Girgensons, Ennis, Myers, Risto, Zadorov... he shouldnt even consider. Not once. Not twice. Not ever. You fans happy about the win streak? Those names are the reason why.

I'd only consider a package of futures (draft picks and prospects), no current and future core pieces (the names I listed plus Reinhart, and probably BUF 1st next year). I dont care how talented Hall is. You dont build around one dimensional wingers. You dont give up your best assets in the middle of a rebuild just because hes an 80 point winger.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Dec 16 @ 1:55 PM ET
Alright that I'll replace Myers with Hanifin or Kylington or grab Zacha, Marner, or Strome with my top 5 pick
- Pegullaville

I don't know much about the kids in the draft, I leave that to folks like you on here. you folks have a better info on that then I do.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 1:56 PM ET
Myers and one of the other two 1sts get it done.

anything over that and you are overpaying.

You add all of that and more is coming with Hall our way.

- dadeadhead


I think you are going to have to greatly overpay to get him, and there will be plenty of teams lined up to do just that, which is why I made that offer up to compete with other teams willing to do that.
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:56 PM ET
I still say your genius will not be fully known until your time is up with your offer and idea.

Myers++ for Hall equals a step back this season only IMO for this team for the reasons laid out about how the defense will play as a unit without Myers. That would mean they turned Myers++ into Hall and a likely top 3 pick. Genius, my friend.

That said, it won't happen because I believe the ++ will be way too much to add in along with Myers.

Does Myers, Compher, Grigorenko, Makarov, & a late 1st this year get it done?

- kingcong39

That is true but I think it was metioned before I may be wrong, that Compher has a ways to go?
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Dec 16 @ 1:57 PM ET
If Murray decides to change directions with this rebuild and calls about Hall, and the Oilers are asking for any of Girgensons, Ennis, Myers, Risto, Zadorov... he shouldnt even consider. Not once. Not twice. Not ever. You fans happy about the win streak? Those names are the reason why.

I'd only consider a package of futures (draft picks and prospects), no current and future core pieces (the names I listed plus Reinhart, and probably BUF 1st next year). I dont care how talented Hall is. You dont build around one dimensional wingers. You dont give up your best assets in the middle of a rebuild just because hes an 80 point winger.

- theblueandgold

you don't get Hall without Myers.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Dec 16 @ 1:57 PM ET
Myers and one of the other two 1sts get it done.

anything over that and you are overpaying.

You add all of that and more is coming with Hall our way.

- dadeadhead


Myers, Foligno, First

Hall
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 1:58 PM ET
That is true but I think it was metioned before I may be wrong, that Compher has a ways to go?
- SABRES 89


He does, but he has serious upside, and you are giving them a more NHL ready version of him, that may be better, in Grigorenko.

If one of them pans out, you have solved their center depth.

If both pan out, you have made them a very good team down the middle.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 16 @ 1:58 PM ET
Alright that I'll replace Myers with Hanifin or Kylington or grab Zacha, Marner, or Strome with my top 5 pick
- Pegullaville



IMO Murray has come to the conclusion that Hanifin or Kylington is the pick barring a miracle that they win the lottery.

Could be the opportunity for him to get a top end talent and replace what is given up without screwing up the rebuild.

Just my 2 cents.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 16 @ 1:58 PM ET
you don't get Hall without Myers.
- SABRES 89

does Oates came with Hall?

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 16 @ 1:59 PM ET
Myers, Foligno, First

Hall

- ImThatGuy



Myers and a 1st(not ours) IMO gets you Hall.

You add they need to add.
theblueandgold
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Denzel, WA
Joined: 03.05.2009

Dec 16 @ 1:59 PM ET
you don't get Hall without Myers.
- SABRES 89


Not an issue. We dont NEED Hall. We NEED Myers.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 16 @ 2:00 PM ET
Not an issue. We dont NEED Hall. We NEED Myers.
- theblueandgold



Remains to be seen.
Rally_Shots
Joined: 07.24.2008

Dec 16 @ 2:02 PM ET
If Murray decides to change directions with this rebuild and calls about Hall, and the Oilers are asking for any of Girgensons, Ennis, Myers, Risto, Zadorov... he shouldnt even consider. Not once. Not twice. Not ever. You fans happy about the win streak? Those names are the reason why.

I'd only consider a package of futures (draft picks and prospects), no current and future core pieces (the names I listed plus Reinhart, and probably BUF 1st next year). I dont care how talented Hall is. You dont build around one dimensional wingers. You dont give up your best assets in the middle of a rebuild just because hes an 80 point winger.

- theblueandgold


You really wouldn't consider trading Ennis for Hall?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 16 @ 2:02 PM ET
Not an issue. We dont NEED Hall. We NEED Myers.
- theblueandgold

does Hall and Jeremy Roy (pp d man) make this team better moving forward then Myers and Brock Boeser

that is what should be going through Murray's head right now
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 16 @ 2:03 PM ET
You really wouldn't consider trading Ennis for Hall?
- Rally_Shots

ennis, girgens and moulson give you a second line for the next 4 years

hall, reinhart and player x gives you a number 1 line for 10 years
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 16 @ 2:04 PM ET
Watching Death Row on discovery and this guy



is the narrator.


Creepy.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Dec 16 @ 2:04 PM ET
you don't get Hall without Myers.
- SABRES 89


Not necessarily. I am as high on Myers as anyone but Risto could be seen as more valuable. Younger, cheaper and *possibly* a higher upside.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 16 @ 2:05 PM ET
Im a huge Myers supporter and the only thing I would move him for is a Hall caliber player. 80 point wingers at the age of 23 barely hit the trade market and If you have to give up Myers to get one so be it. Also in the short term it will make our team significantly worse and put us back in the running for a top 5 pick. Without Myers our defence in a couple years could look like this:

Zadorov-Ristolainen
Georges-Pysyk
McCabe- Ruhwedal(excuse the spelling)

And thats not accounting for possibly drafting one of Hannifin, Kylington, or Werenski(again excuse the spelling) or using the 30+ million in cap space we have to sign a Franson, Methot, or trade for defenders from teams that are kissing the cap next year. While rolling out a top 6 that features Hall, Moulson, Ennis, Girgensons, Reinhart, Armia
Rally_Shots
Joined: 07.24.2008

Dec 16 @ 2:07 PM ET
ennis, girgens and moulson give you a second line for the next 4 years

hall, reinhart and player x gives you a number 1 line for 10 years

- homiedclown


bingo..

Ennis is a good 2nd liner, and can get by on a first line. Hall would come in and be the best player on your team and its not really close.
SABRES 89
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Dec 16 @ 2:07 PM ET
does Oates came with Hall?


- homiedclown

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 16 @ 2:08 PM ET
kissing the cap next year. While rolling out a top 6 that features Hall, Moulson, Ennis, Girgensons, Reinhart, Armia
- Pegullaville

right now, the 2 biggest needs are a big time scoring winger and a pp qb, inserting reinhart with the big club for next season

assuming the goalies are resigned

SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Dec 16 @ 2:09 PM ET
Not an issue. We dont NEED Hall. We NEED Myers.
- theblueandgold

We don't need Myers, we need a star player that can put up 80 points, you can get a D man like him minus the size.
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 2:10 PM ET
right now, the 2 biggest needs are a big time scoring winger and a pp qb, inserting reinhart with the big club for next season

assuming the goalies are resigned

- homiedclown

Enroth can take this team where it needs to go, I have seen that now.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 16 @ 2:10 PM ET
does Oates came with Hall?


- homiedclown



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