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DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 15 @ 1:24 PM ET
Dunno, track record seems about as good/bad as any other scouting group. Only real 1st-round bust has been Siemens. Can you really blame them for what happened w/ Hishon?

Pickard and Bigras are looking pretty good outside of the 1st-round... Bournival's made it to the show as a 3rd-rounder... ROR and Barrie as you mentioned. The post-1st track record is actually pretty decent under Pracey. Flyers would gladly take some of that.

- Tomahawk


Highs and Lows with him, until Picks showed up this year, it was looking pretty terrible.

Now it looks terrible that they traded a 2nd round pick for Berra bc they felt none of their goalies were ready to be an NHL back up
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 15 @ 1:25 PM ET
Big reason why this team is struggling right now, when you have to fill your bottom 6 and 3/4 of your d pairings with UFAs and Trades, you are just setting yourself up for older, slower, and over priced role players.
- DDM-Coga

I have no idea what that would look like...

mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 15 @ 1:26 PM ET
Highs and Lows with him, until Picks showed up this year, it was looking pretty terrible.

Now it looks terrible that they traded a 2nd round pick for Berra bc they felt none of their goalies were ready to be an NHL back up

- DDM-Coga

You should keep all of your kids in the minors as long as possible. There's pixie dust down there. Makes them great NHLers. This is a fact. I read it.
aflyerpower8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AL
Joined: 06.03.2014

Dec 15 @ 1:28 PM ET
Looks like Morin is practicing with Bowey as his d-partner
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 15 @ 1:28 PM ET
Highs and Lows with him, until Picks showed up this year, it was looking pretty terrible.
- DDM-Coga


Even the lottery picks... gotta give them credit for taking Landeskog and passing on Larsson and Huberdeau (whom most had going #2 and 3 respectively).
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Dec 15 @ 1:29 PM ET
Ride out the season.. battle the Canes for last pick, then gut front office and have new staff make some player moves. It's the smart thing to do for that Sht show
- 3flyerkids


But then we have the same old story... they'd take McDavid at #1... another forward that will go to the graveyard because Edmonton doesn't build a team, they just take whatever top pick is available to them when they pick.

Although it will inevitably happen anyway (them drafting one of the top spots), they need to start with the "gut the front office" and go from there. Get a GM in there who will actually work on building all aspects it takes to make a team... I'll give MacT the benefit of the doubt, since he hasn't been in there for too long yet... but this whole organization needs to change it's tune, starting from the top down. They've been the joke of the league for years now.. aren't they getting sick of it??
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 15 @ 1:30 PM ET
Even the lottery picks... gotta give them credit for taking Landeskog and passing on Larsson and Huberdeau (whom most had going #2 and 3 respectively).
- Tomahawk


Landy is a huge win on that one, same as Duchene over E.Kane
Really nailed those top picks. Easily could have been E.Kane, Huberdeau, and Jones.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 15 @ 1:30 PM ET
I have no idea what that would look like...


- mayorofangrytown


developing talent is hard, why do that when you can just burn draft picks I trades to get it
aflyerpower8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AL
Joined: 06.03.2014

Dec 15 @ 1:31 PM ET
But then we have the same old story... they'd take McDavid at #1... another forward that will go to the graveyard because Edmonton doesn't build a team, they just take whatever top pick is available to them when they pick.

Although it will inevitably happen anyway (them drafting one of the top spots), they need to start with the "gut the front office" and go from there. Get a GM in there who will actually work on building all aspects it takes to make a team... I'll give MacT the benefit of the doubt, since he hasn't been in there for too long yet... but this whole organization needs to change it's tune, starting from the top down. They've been the joke of the league for years now.. aren't they getting sick of it??

- WarriorHockey21


Could you see them drafting McDavid then trading RNH to Nashville for a Seth Jones package?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 15 @ 1:32 PM ET
Landy is a huge win on that one, same as Duchene over E.Kane
Really nailed those top picks. Easily could have been E.Kane, Huberdeau, and Jones.

- DDM-Coga


So yeah... we'll gladly take him.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 15 @ 1:34 PM ET
Could you see them drafting McDavid then trading RNH to Nashville for a Seth Jones package?
- aflyerpower8


That's what I tossed out there. Trading the pick to Nash for Jones and a guy like Colin Wilson (ask for Forsberg and settle for less)
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 15 @ 1:36 PM ET
developing talent is hard, why do that when you can just burn draft picks I trades to get it
- DDM-Coga

We've 1 second round pick in like 22 years.

We didn't keep a number one for 5 yrs or something ridiculous.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Dec 15 @ 1:36 PM ET
Could you see them drafting McDavid then trading RNH to Nashville for a Seth Jones package?
- aflyerpower8


I would think someone would be going... possibly RNH, or Eberle, or maybe even Hall... but who knows with Edmonton.. What they SHOULD do, is trade one of them for a D package... but I highly doubt NSH would do Seth Jones for RNH+... However, I would move one of those forwards for a defensemen if I could..
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 15 @ 1:36 PM ET
I thought the team policy was the coach isn't allowed to discuss injuries.
- PLindbergh31


Part of the kinder, gentler flyer movement
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 1:36 PM ET
We've 1 second round pick in like 22 years.
- mayorofangrytown


Yeah, but it was Robert "I'm really good when I feel like it" Hagg.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Dec 15 @ 1:36 PM ET
That's what I tossed out there. Trading the pick to Nash for Jones and a guy like Colin Wilson (ask for Forsberg and settle for less)
- DDM-Coga


Now THAT, I could possibly see..
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 15 @ 1:37 PM ET
I would think someone would be going... possibly RNH, or Eberle, or maybe even Hall... but who knows with Edmonton.. What they SHOULD do, is trade one of them for a D package... but I highly doubt NSH would do Seth Jones for RNH+... However, I would move one of those forwards for a defensemen if I could..
- WarriorHockey21

Taylor Hall is untouchable if I had a voice in that organization
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Dec 15 @ 1:37 PM ET
well the eagles d was yet another giant embarrassment
- 2Real


That secondary (especially the corners) is about as bad as it gets.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Dec 15 @ 1:39 PM ET
Taylor Hall is untouchable if I had a voice in that organization
- mayorofangrytown


Same here... but I wouldn't put much faith in their organization.. and also, it depends on him to a point. He could really act like a little female-dog if he wanted out, and pretty much force their hand.

But yeah.. if it's up to me, he's the piece you build around...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 1:44 PM ET
Same here... but I wouldn't put much faith in their organization.. and also, it depends on him to a point. He could really act like a little female-dog if he wanted out, and pretty much force their hand.

But yeah.. if it's up to me, he's the piece you build around...

- WarriorHockey21


The building block is clearly Justin Schultz. He's like Shea Weber without the slapshot, hockey sense, reach, physicality, mean streak, size, and positioning.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 15 @ 1:44 PM ET
Now THAT, I could possibly see..
- WarriorHockey21


Giving up Jones for McDavid would be very tempting since they Have Josi, Ellis, and Ekholm to go with Weber. It could be a move that they could afford.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 1:50 PM ET
More likely scenario:

Flyers win 14/15 Stanley Cup
Luke Schenn becomes a Norris Trophy candidate
Craig Berube gets abducted by aliens
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 1:51 PM ET
Giving up Jones for McDavid would be very tempting since they Have Josi, Ellis, and Ekholm to go with Weber. It could be a move that they could afford.
- DDM-Coga


I don't think the team with that #1 overall trades it for anything less than a proven superstar. I think the package going for it has to be Weber, not Jones. You're likely talking a Lindros-sized haul.
aflyerpower8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AL
Joined: 06.03.2014

Dec 15 @ 1:52 PM ET
I don't think the team with that #1 overall trades it for anything less than a proven superstar. I think the package going for it has to be Weber, not Jones. You're likely talking a Lindros-sized haul.
- jmatchett383


That's why I think RNH would be a closer swap
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Dec 15 @ 1:55 PM ET
I don't think the team with that #1 overall trades it for anything less than a proven superstar. I think the package going for it has to be Weber, not Jones. You're likely talking a Lindros-sized haul.
- jmatchett383


weber rine +
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