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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 9 @ 6:07 PM ET
He'll get a contract but he's not getting 4+
- mayorofangrytown


He will get a standard 6th d-man deal.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 6:11 PM ET
How did it work out for the flyers after 06-07?
- funmaster18

getting the 2nd overall pick worked out great for the flyers
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 9 @ 6:16 PM ET
He did that two of four seasons and never finished higher than 4th among Leafs defensemen in Avg TOI. These were not good teams.
- mayorofangrytown


Good teams or not, 21+minutes is a high total for a defenseman, especially for a young defenseman.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 9 @ 6:18 PM ET
He will get a standard 6th d-man deal.
- flyer_nutter

so he's getting more than 4+?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 9 @ 6:22 PM ET
getting the 2nd overall pick worked out great for the flyers
- 2Real

luke schenn is great?...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 9 @ 6:25 PM ET
Chris Stewart also had back to back 28 goal seasons. Should the Flyers trade Brayden Schenn for him now? Why pay top 4 defenseman prices when he wasn't a top 4 defensemen? How come Toronto didn't pay for JVR as a 20 goal scorer with 7 goals in 11 playoff games? Even at potential for potential the trade was a huge loss as L. Schenn was going to max out as a top notch defensive defenseman and JVR ceiling was that of a all star 1st line winger.
- psuhockey


Lots of factors here that are missing. First of all, you're comparing a forward in Stewart, who is pretty much at his full development as a player, to a young defenseman who was 22 at the time of the deal. It's well known that defenseman normally take longer to develop.
Secondly, you're using hindsight in what the players have developed into at this point, and applying that to the time of the trade as if it was known how each player was going to turn out.
As far as the potential comparison you bring up, top defenseman, even top defensive defenseman, are more valuable players then wingers are. Wing is the least important position in Hockey.
The trade has not worked out to this point, and there isn't any signs of that swinging towards the Flyers direction. I understand why they made the trade. But personally, for me, the biggest issue is that the Flyers lost patience with JVR. And I think that was part of the reason for making the trade that was the biggest mistake. They need to be patient with young players.

Lastly, I've moved on. That trade is not going to ruin this teams future.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 6:43 PM ET
luke schenn is great?...
- JoeRussomanno

yes he is
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 6:45 PM ET
why are we so mad about losing a potential 40 goal scorer
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 9 @ 6:46 PM ET
This is just the match up the teams to possibly begin putting together a streak! Saturday feels like forever ago!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 9 @ 6:47 PM ET
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 9 @ 6:49 PM ET
This is just the match up the teams to possibly begin putting together a streak! Saturday feels like forever ago!
- SuperSchennBros


Not expecting it to be easy. Jackets are streaking.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Dec 9 @ 6:53 PM ET
Not expecting it to be easy. Jackets are streaking.
- Tomahawk


they should put their damn pants on !
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 9 @ 6:55 PM ET
Not expecting it to be easy. Jackets are streaking.
- Tomahawk


Not expecting it to be easy either. Look at the jackets season, it's been nothing but streaks. Lose a bunch of games, then win 2, then lose 5 more. Now they've won 3 in a row. Which way is the streak going to turn?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 6:58 PM ET
Not expecting it to be easy. Jackets are streaking.
- Tomahawk

but getting healthier is dubinsky playing tonight?
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Dec 9 @ 6:58 PM ET
they should put their damn pants on !
- -davies-


pants are so 2010.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 9 @ 7:00 PM ET
Not expecting it to be easy. Jackets are streaking.
- Tomahawk


mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 9 @ 7:01 PM ET
but getting healthier is dubinsky playing tonight?
- 2Real

Supposed to be back in.

I'm so frustrated with the way this team is constructed and what they have and haven't done since April that all I can do is watch and laugh. Otherwise I'd have a stroke or something.

3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 9 @ 7:02 PM ET
Supposed to be back in.

I'm so frustrated with the way this team is constructed and what they have and haven't done since April that all I can do is watch and laugh. Otherwise I'd have a stroke or something.


- mayorofangrytown


It's the return of the Zombie tonight!!!
Be prepared!!!!!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 7:03 PM ET
Supposed to be back in.

I'm so frustrated with the way this team is constructed and what they have and haven't done since April that all I can do is watch and laugh. Otherwise I'd have a stroke or something.


- mayorofangrytown

damn he's due for a goal against us because you know flyers
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 7:07 PM ET
this guy sucks at singing
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 9 @ 7:07 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God


yeah?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 9 @ 7:08 PM ET
Supposed to be back in.

I'm so frustrated with the way this team is constructed and what they have and haven't done since April that all I can do is watch and laugh. Otherwise I'd have a stroke or something.


- mayorofangrytown


What would you have hoped they did since April?

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 9 @ 7:09 PM ET
Brandon Dubinsky will score tonight. Money back guarantee.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 9 @ 7:09 PM ET
yeah?
- hammarby31

WANNA FIGHT ABOUT IT?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 7:09 PM ET
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