Luke Schenn did the same thing last week against us an no call. The ref stopped play and had a faceoff. Hayes hand passed the puck out of the zone.
- rangerdanger94

Are you suggesting Luke Schenn should have gotten a matching minor with Hayes last night? Not sure how this matters.

Complain all you want. All fans do. But when you say that its because the league wants to keep it fair because your PP is too good, legitimately believe that, write a short essay supporting that, and then continue to seriously argue that statement, you look pretty conceded.
- rangerdanger94

I would concede that it would be conceited of me to tell you you used the wrong word when you were trying to get your point across in the post above.

Complain all you want. All fans do. But when you say that its because the league wants to keep it fair because your PP is too good, legitimately believe that, write a short essay supporting that, and then continue to seriously argue that statement, you look pretty conceded.
- rangerdanger94

Not once did I say the "league wants to keep it fair". I said the refs get reluctant to make calls when they know it will affect the outcome of the game & they don't like being accused of it. And when they know that 2 or 3 calls in the Pens favor, with their PP, might as well be the same as just adding a 1 onto the scoreboard, they get more sketchy about blowing the whistle. Add to that, Sid throwing a minor tantrum & complaining about them holding back on calls, and it's extremely reasonable to see it getting out of control really fast.

We've all seen it happen before with guys that get on a refs bad side. They can't draw a call for anything or they get called for essentially "being themselves". You guys saw it when you had Sean Avery. Even stuff that wasn't a penalty would get called because he was sean avery.

That same thing can happen with a team getting on the bad side of refs. They either have to shut up & take it & wait for the refs to "forgive" them or they gotta make a big deal about it in the media. Hell, you're a rags fan. You saw Torts do it every few weeks & it would buy the team an extra call or 2 in the next game if he was loud enough about it.

Complain all you want. All fans do. But when you say that its because the league wants to keep it fair because your PP is too good, legitimately believe that, write a short essay supporting that, and then continue to seriously argue that statement, you look pretty conceded].
- rangerdanger94

Ahhh the glorious life of being a pens fan!!

F being humble

I would concede that it would be conceited of me to tell you you used the wrong word when you were trying to get your point across in the post above.
- Emperor Filonius

The English is not strong in that one.

Looks like Stewarts time in BUF is over, I wouldn't mind adding him at a low cost.

The pens are ranked 21st in the league in PPs. I guess the league doesn't give a lot of teams like Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida, NJ, etc. PPs either because they have such potent offenses.
- rangerdanger94

The difference is all the other teams you listed stink, but you know that. More to your point, wouldn't you think that a team that has been at or near the top of the conference standings all year, and nightly sends out Crosby, Malkin, Letang, et all would likely at least be in the top 10 of power plays drawn?

Gotta love a fan whining and complaining about another fanbase whining and complaining.

I definitely don't think that helped at all. Pens brought it on themselves a bit at first. Between that, and the "not liking to affect the outcome" philosophy, and the complaining about the lack of calls as punishment, as I said... I think it became a vicious cycle.

Pens draw calls, pens get PP, pens score on PP at insane rate, refs don't like affecting the outcome, they hold back some calls, Pens complain, Sid slams his stick, refs punish them for trying to "show them up", they hold back more calls, pens complain more, they keep holding back the calls to continue the punishment. And then we're stuck in this trend of essentially not being able to buy a call that isn't completely automatic like covering the puck or shooting it over the glass or too many men.

They either have to shut up, tough it out & wait for the "punishment" to end or have a coach blow up about it in the media and not just to the refs on the ice. Really, no other approach will work.
- ScienceJesus

I would not advocate blowing up at the refs, but I do think working the refs & the league via the media is a skill too few coaches excel at. Badger Bob was always seemd to be so good at it drawing attention to something via the media. It requires a certain subtlty and patience over a long period of time for a coach to get it right, which just seems to be so rare.

EK's latest is the Pens are in on Doan. Please no! Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. Only guy I want from AZ is Boedker.

The English is not strong in that one.


- hardnosed

He's OK as their group goes, but sometimes they just make it too easy.

Gotta love a fan whining and complaining about another fanbase whining and complaining.


- madmike71

It was a skill set they learned from Torts and they certainly carry on the tradition.

EK's latest is the Pens are in on Doan. Please no! Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. Only guy I want from AZ is Boedker.
- sammy87

If he is saying that, I feel relieved.

I can tell you that not too many people from this side of PA lacked respect for Ronnie "Franchise". I saw a lot of him and maybe he wasnt appreciated because he was so consistent night in /night out that he didn't appear to elevate his game like 66 & 68 did. Instead, his game was already at such a high level that there was not too much room to improve. I liked him on the Whalers and always wanted him on the Flyers. Question to Pens fans: Was that not the single most important trade in the Pens franchise history?
- BOSS_TWEED

It was the single most important trade int he history of the Penguins and will be until they trade Letang.

I would not advocate blowing up at the refs, but I do think working the refs & the league via the media is a skill too few coaches excel at. Badger Bob was always seemd to be so good at it drawing attention to something via the media. It requires a certain subtlty and patience over a long period of time for a coach to get it right, which just seems to be so rare.
- s0rcerer1984

I think it needs to be done through back channels. Like HCMJ having a discussion with the head of officials. Just say... Look we know Sid was a douche at that moment. We've talked to him and he understands he went over the line. It won't happen again. Follow it up with.... People's jobs are on the line here, this can't continue.

Looks like Stewarts time in BUF is over, I wouldn't mind adding him at a low cost.
- nbartley9

Absolutely Barts✌️

I know I'm nitpicking but no matter who is traded I dont think we should ever end up with a Borts-Scuderi pairing. I know we have some injuries but frustrating that Johnston had them together last night again.

Dumoulin hopefully has elevated his value a bit. I think he looks very good so far. He reminds me of a much calmer Despres. He's a really good effortless skater for a big man and doesn't show any panic like Despres when he was first called up. If Dumoulin wasn't orginally a Canes draft pick, I feel like he could bring in Tlusty. I hope there are some teams interested and we can find an equivalent prospect. I don't want to trade him for a UFA winger unless its a younger guy like Tlusty. The cap is rumored to be going up next year so whoever is brought in, we should be able to afford to extend them if needed.

All that said, who has more trade value, Martin or Dumoulin?
- YouMeAndDupuis9[/quote]
I think its about equal. Not getting a top 6 for either guy. Could move Martin for picks or 3/4 liner. Could Move Doumo for 3/4 liner.

By moving Martin for picks then using those picks to acquire other assets, you're not restricting yourself to a handful of teams that would A) want him B) he would go to C) Have proper assets coming back D) have cap space.

I for one think martin can easily pull 2 second rounders. Maybe some kind of 1st (to a contender, maybe with multiple firsts) if he signs and 2 seconds if he doesn't. I would be cool with that, like anyone else would. That would free up our 2nd to deal obviously because we would either have 2 firsts next year or a replacement second and 2 the next year. We could deal a 2nd a dumoulin for a top 6, maybe next years second as well for ROR if he signs with us? That's who I would like to see in that situation. I would have no problem with tlusty though
- znagle

Bingo. Bottom line by moving Martin, you acquire extra assets that give you more flexibility to do other things to reshape the roster (i.e. cap space and draft picks).

Doesn't Martin have a Ntc? Couldn't he just say "no, I dont want traded"? Idk how that stuff works.
- nateca44

Its a Limited NTC. So, I guess Pens could move him to handful of teams w/o his permission.

I would not advocate blowing up at the refs, but I do think working the refs & the league via the media is a skill too few coaches excel at. Badger Bob was always seemd to be so good at it drawing attention to something via the media. It requires a certain subtlty and patience over a long period of time for a coach to get it right, which just seems to be so rare.
- s0rcerer1984

I don't advocate it either. But there's a dozen ways to work the officials off the ice. Blowing up is kind of a last resort. Working them in the media, blowing up on them, back channel discussions with the league officials, etc are all options. I was just throwing out pretty much the 2 extremes of what their approach has to be. Because the occasional complaining or staring at an official about things on the ice is obviously not cutting it.

Because you're right. Not enough coaches (especially Pens coaches in the past 2 decades) know how to work them in the media. But I've noticed a refusal to work them at all. The right or the wrong ways. They just don't do it.

But none of those teams can take on $5M in salary without sending us some back. Making it hard to trade Martin for futures.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I would say check capgeek.com. Plenty of teams that could take on his contract. Not an issue.

Looks like Stewarts time in BUF is over, I wouldn't mind adding him at a low cost.
- nbartley9

Agreed. And by low cost I'm thinking like a 4th/5th round draft pick.

If he came with his head on right, I think he'd be a load to handle w/71.

I think it needs to be done through back channels. Like HCMJ having a discussion with the head of officials. Just say... Look we know Sid was a douche at that moment. We've talked to him and he understands he went over the line. It won't happen again. Follow it up with.... People's jobs are on the line here, this can't continue.
- madmike71

I was thinking more along the lines of speaking indirectly through the media. Stuff like...

"We've had to be very good 5v5 an don the PK recently; Relying on our Power Play like earlier in the year wasn't going to cut it the last 15 games given how few chances we've generated."

"Its been really impressive how Malkin has been able to keep up his scoring pace from early in the year. He's done it at 5v5 too, with the PP opprtunities drying up a bit over the last month or so."

"Letang's ice time has gone down a bit in the dozen games, but its not a reflection of his play by any means. With 2 or 3 min less of PP time per game he's playing harder minutes & we try to take that into account in managing his ice time."

I want nothing to do with Doan. If he was a FA at the end of this season maybe, but with another year on his 35+ contract, no thank you.


Now if Anaheim is making Silfverberg available, GMJR should already be on the phone with them.

I want nothing to do with Doan. If he was a FA at the end of this season maybe, but with another year on his 35+ contract, no thank you.


Now if Anaheim is making Silfverberg available, GMJR should already be on the phone with them.
- cap1681

Cmon it's ek... if pitt is in on his rumor blog it means the opposite