Ours does as well, I'd like to see Quebec back.

And even though it's a pipe dream, I'd love to see them move a team to Saskatchewan.
- Sabresfan-365

you just got the jets back, dont be greedy

I just watched the florida video, if it was not done on the heal of the storm, it would have been funny

bad timing, poor judgement on their part

did you read what I posted?

you need 5 plus years of quality play to get the fans interested, otherwise they will not show up til playoffs

it's totally different down here in the south
- homiedclown

Bingo. You can't put a piss poor product out, and say "trust us, the product will be better in a few years so pay money to accept the poop we're shoving down your throat now because it will be worth it". People won't go for it, which is why it hasn't "worked" in Florida. You're kidding yourself if you think the attendance would be this bad if the team was a perennial Cup contender.

I just watched the florida video, if it was not done on the heal of the storm, it would have been funny

bad timing, poor judgement on their part
- homiedclown

When they come to buffalo can we out footage of a hurricane and end it with stay dry random city in the state of Florida.

I'd be fine with that, or put them in seattle
- homiedclown

Seattle has to get together and build an Arena first . Kansas City has nice new arena begging for a tenant.

Bingo. You can't put a piss poor product out, and say "trust us, the product will be better in a few years so pay money to accept the poop we're shoving down your throat now because it will be worth it". People won't go for it, which is why it hasn't "worked" in Florida. You're kidding yourself if you think the attendance would be this bad if the team was a perennial Cup contender.
- buffalofan19

You cannot sustain a viable professional league on franchises that only have good attendance when they are cup contenders.

Bingo. You can't put a piss poor product out, and say "trust us, the product will be better in a few years so pay money to accept the poop we're shoving down your throat now because it will be worth it". People won't go for it, which is why it hasn't "worked" in Florida. You're kidding yourself if you think the attendance would be this bad if the team was a perennial Cup contender.
- buffalofan19

I'm surprised you're taking such a simplistic view of the matter

In considering the viability of the market, wouldn't a reliable analysis have to recognize that very few franchises have the Ability to sustain cup contention year after year? So that if the market will only support the team under conditions that are not realistically achievable - doesn't the league have To admit the experiment failed?

You cannot sustain a viable professional league on franchises that only have good attendance when they are cup contenders.
- Maximum Signal

Good point. Just said it a little too simply to sound really smart

Seattle has to get together and build an Arena first . Kansas City has nice new arena begging for a tenant.
- Maximum Signal

They have an arena. Yay. Have they done any studies to determine if the team will be more viable than a team in southern Florida? Isn't that mainly a football area? Does the city have the kind of people/money to support football baseball and hockey?

you just got the jets back, dont be greedy


- homiedclown

True, but this would be in everyone's best interest. At least this way you'd actually hear the fans during the game.

Of course, that also means this board would lose me, and i know how devastating that would be

They have an arena. Yay. Have they done any studies to determine if the team will be more viable than a team in southern Florida? Isn't that mainly a football area? Does the city have the kind of people/money to support football baseball and hockey?
- SabresFaninIndiana

Can't be any worse than Florida . When they had the Scouts . They were second fiddle to the basketball team . Now there is no basketball. Both Football and Baseball do very well there . Even when the teams are not winning.

True, but this would be in everyone's best interest. At least this way you'd actually hear the fans during the game.

Of course, that also means this board would lose me, and i know how devastating that would be
- Sabresfan-365

Saskatchewan could support a team . The provincial support would be amazing . They come from far and wide to see the CFL Riders. The Arena is a little under sized like Winnipeg's but a very nice facility.

Good point. Just said it a little too simply to sound really smart
- Der Kaiser

I was taught while getting my MBA when doing an accurate analysis . Less is more . Be succinct and to the point . Do not try and use too many words to get across you are an authority. Most intelligent business people will see right through that tactic.

You cannot sustain a viable professional league on franchises that only have good attendance when they are cup contenders.
- Maximum Signal

No, but it's when the team is a Cup contender that a fanbase is built. Like Homie said, Tampa's fanbase was built and stabilized once they won a Cup and again when they became a contender (i.e. Stamkos). Florida has had none of that. They made the Finals in 1995, and have dwelt at or near the bottom of the league since. People need a reason to show up. When you're dealing with a new market, that reason is winning. That's why Carolina, Nashville, and Tampa have all worked, and are at least sustainable, and Florida, Phoenix, and Atlanta have been disasters. The former have all put forth a product worth watching, the latter haven't.

Seattle has to get together and build an Arena first . Kansas City has nice new arena begging for a tenant.
- Maximum Signal

http://www.king5.com/stor...tle-eis-nhl-nba/16504533/

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2014/09/30/arena-seattle-eis-nhl-nba/16504533/
- homiedclown

Is it approved? Is there financing?. How long will construction take? Kansas City is ready to go . Give Seattle an expansion franchise when everything is in place.

Is it approved? Is there financing?. How long will construction take? Kansas City is ready to go . Give Seattle an expansion franchise when everything is in place.
- Maximum Signal

bettman said he is not expanding, which is a mistake IMO

have 32 teams, 16 in east, 16 in west

the east is getting screwed right now

No, but it's when the team is a Cup contender that a fanbase is built. Like Homie said, Tampa's fanbase was built and stabilized once they won a Cup and again when they became a contender (i.e. Stamkos). Florida has had none of that. They made the Finals in 1995, and have dwelt at or near the bottom of the league since. People need a reason to show up. When you're dealing with a new market, that reason is winning. That's why Carolina, Nashville, and Tampa have all worked, and are at least sustainable, and Florida, Phoenix, and Atlanta have been disasters. The former have all put forth a product worth watching, the latter haven't.
- buffalofan19

20 years proves to me that this experiment is a failure . Enough already . If the league wants to improve revenues . The first step is moving this franchise to a market that can sell more ticket when they are not in the Stanley Cup finals.

Is it approved? Is there financing?. How long will construction take? Kansas City is ready to go . Give Seattle an expansion franchise when everything is in place.
- Maximum Signal

they can play in key arena til the new place gets built

bettman said he is not expanding, which is a mistake IMO

have 32 teams, 16 in east, 16 in west

the east is getting screwed right now
- homiedclown

All it takes is $$$. He works for the owners. If they could get 500 million and up per franchise. It will happen. That money does not get shared with the players!

they can play in key arena til the new place gets built
- homiedclown

Key arena sucks for Hockey ! That will cost them more than help them.

I'm surprised you're taking such a simplistic view of the matter

In considering the viability of the market, wouldn't a reliable analysis have to recognize that very few franchises have the Ability to sustain cup contention year after year? So that if the market will only support the team under conditions that are not realistically achievable - doesn't the league have To admit the experiment failed?
- Der Kaiser

You need a winning product to start building a loyal and stable fanbase. You get people interested by winning, not by wallowing in ineptitude for 90 percent of the franchise's existence. Of course they can't be a perennial Cup contender all the time, but they can reasonably be much, much closer to it than they have been. They haven't even been mediocre. They've been downright awful, just like Atlanta and Phoenix.

20 years proves to me that this experiment is a failure . Enough already . If the league wants to improve revenues . The first step is moving this franchise to a market that can sell more ticket when they are not in the Stanley Cup finals.
- Maximum Signal

they would also find a way to get hockey on espn to increase exposure
have nbc show nightly games on prime time saturday nights
have nhl regular season games be played in other areas (why not have 3 or 4 games in quebec, kc, vegas, jacksonville, houston, etc)
I do not think it would hurt to have 40 home games in your arena instead of 41 and play 2 games at neutral sites in north america

you want revenue, grow your markets, develop new markets in north america, think outside the box and do whatever you can to get more exposure

bettman has failed miserably on this and takes the fans from the 26 or so stronger markets for granted

Key arena sucks for Hockey ! That will cost them more than help them.
- Maximum Signal

opinions vary

20 years proves to me that this experiment is a failure . Enough already . If the league wants to improve revenues . The first step is moving this franchise to a market that can sell more ticket when they are not in the Stanley Cup finals.
- Maximum Signal

They very well may need to move the franchise. I've never actually disputed that. Like I said before, I actually think they will. The mismanagement of the franchise over 20 years may have dug them in too deep of a hole. What I have a contention with is the notion that it's because of the market and solely because of the market. The fact that people are so dismissive of winning as a factor is simply puzzling to me.