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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 4 @ 11:46 PM ET
I gotta say, I'd be more then happy to get throw the season to get Connor Mcdavid. Once you get MacDavid though, major changes get forced. In fact, I'd say only and I mean only Giroux is safe. The one/two punch of Giroux and McDavid would be unbelievable. Should this happen, where does this leave a guy like Scott Laughton? If the Flyers are lucky enough to get a Connor McDavid, the fantasy of Giroux, Couturier and Laughton down the middle for years to come instantly blows up, although Laughton is still really cheap.
- SuperSchennBros


Could trade Couturier and keep Laughton, add a defenseman to the mix so Giroux and McDavid don;t have to score 4 goals a night
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 4 @ 11:49 PM ET
CBJ with 2 points tonight.
- hereticpride

Yeah, and bob made 52 saves
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 4 @ 11:50 PM ET
Could trade Couturier and keep Laughton, add a defenseman to the mix so Giroux and McDavid don;t have to score 4 goals a night
- Jsaquella


I suppose I'm just greedy but Couturier is easily the more polished defensive center. Couturier for the moment has the higher value, I think Couturier is the guy I'd like to continue to run with. Also, Couturier has the size between the two.

If the Flyers are lucky enough to draft McDavid, so many players become expendable. They should have no problem with throwing away anyone of a number one defenseman.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 4 @ 11:58 PM ET
I suppose I'm just greedy but Couturier is easily the more polished defensive center. Couturier for the moment has the higher value, I think Couturier is the guy I'd like to continue to run with. Also, Couturier has the size between the two.

If the Flyers are lucky enough to draft McDavid, so many players become expendable. They should have no problem with throwing away anyone of a number one defenseman.

- SuperSchennBros


Couturier is more expensive and has a higher trade value. But If I have McDavid, he's never going to be 2nd line C.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 4 @ 11:59 PM ET
Pens are not an especially good fit, Greiss isn't better than Scrivens and Sutter isn't a first line center. Unless Ehrhoff decides to waive his NTC
- Jsaquella


yeah. even their defense. the pens have good prospects, but i think they want a more veteran presence back there.

And they can want a first line center all they want, but unless theyre looking for a guy like tyler bozak, or an older guy like eric staal or joe thornton, they are going to be out of luck.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 12:06 AM ET
Could trade Couturier and keep Laughton, add a defenseman to the mix so Giroux and McDavid don;t have to score 4 goals a night
- Jsaquella

I would imagine they would first try Laughton at wing if they somehow ended up with a superstar center.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 5 @ 12:06 AM ET
Couturier is more expensive and has a higher trade value. But If I have McDavid, he's never going to be 2nd line C.
- Jsaquella


I disagree on that last part. With this sort of thinking, you might as well trade Giroux the day you draft Mcdavid. Malkin is a second line center to Crosby and probably shouldn't be. Datsyuk and Zetterberg have had to take turns on the number one spot. Forsberg to Sakic. It's a good problem to have.

For me, the building blocks would be Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier and if drafted, Mcdavid. I would make the tough decisions with Schenn, Read, Raffl and Laughton. I'd be looking for a top line Left Wing and a stud defenseman.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 5 @ 12:10 AM ET
I disagree on that last part. With this sort of thinking, you might as well trade Giroux the day you draft Mcdavid. Malkin is a second line center to Crosby and probably shouldn't be. Datsyuk and Zetterberg have had to take turns on the number one spot. Forsberg to Sakic. It's a good problem to have.

For me, the building blocks would be Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier and if drafted, Mcdavid. I would make the tough decisions with Schenn, Read, Raffl and Laughton. I'd be looking for a top line Left Wing and a stud defenseman.

- SuperSchennBros


If I had to choose, and I realize it's very early, I would keep Laughton ahead of Couts. It's completely subjective. Laughton, at this point, seems the more well-rounded player.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 5 @ 12:11 AM ET
Yeah, and bob made 52 saves
- Giroux_Is_God


Slacker.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 5 @ 12:13 AM ET
If I had to choose, and I realize it's very early, I would keep Laughton ahead of Couts. It's completely subjective. Laughton, at this point, seems the more well-rounded player.
- wolfhounds

What! How??
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 5 @ 12:23 AM ET
What! How??
- SuperSchennBros


Couts has more NHL experience, but they are roughly the same size, and nearly the same age, and I just see Laughton being the better player when all is said and done. That doesn't mean I don't like Couts, or that I wouldn't ultimately like to keep both players on the team. It's just if I had to choose, I probably keep Laughton. And like I said, very subjective.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Dec 5 @ 1:18 AM ET
Couts has more NHL experience, but they are roughly the same size, and nearly the same age, and I just see Laughton being the better player when all is said and done. That doesn't mean I don't like Couts, or that I wouldn't ultimately like to keep both players on the team. It's just if I had to choose, I probably keep Laughton. And like I said, very subjective.
- wolfhounds


They're not remotely the same size
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 5 @ 1:27 AM ET
They're not remotely the same size
- wilsonecho91


Grossmann is listed at 6'4", Couts at 6'3", and Laughton at 6'1".



Laughton's no St Louis.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 1:38 AM ET
Unfortunately the draft is still a long way away. While I have no problem looking forward to players to draft I think we all need to take a step back as we're now deciding who stays and who goes. Fact is even the 30th place team doesn't even have that great of shot at landing McDavid.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 5 @ 3:33 AM ET
that just made me spit my gum out.
- wilsonecho91




that kid (frank)ing sucked. i bet he still sucks.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 5 @ 3:38 AM ET
from bryz's media conference call re: his pro tryout:

I am who I am. Life is [too] beautiful to be sad, to be depressed. You've got to enjoy every day of your life. The sun comes up and it’s so beautiful. Everybody is in good condition and good health. You've got to enjoy it. You've got to find the positive moments in your life every day.

i love bryz.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 6:48 AM ET
Couts has more NHL experience, but they are roughly the same size, and nearly the same age, and I just see Laughton being the better player when all is said and done. That doesn't mean I don't like Couts, or that I wouldn't ultimately like to keep both players on the team. It's just if I had to choose, I probably keep Laughton. And like I said, very subjective.
- wolfhounds

laughton plays a bit more edgier and shows more of a killer instinct...yea im with you
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 6:49 AM ET
from bryz's media conference call re: his pro tryout:

I am who I am. Life is

- hammarby31[too] beautiful to be sad, to be depressed. You've got to enjoy every day of your life. The sun comes up and it’s so beautiful. Everybody is in good condition and good health. You've got to enjoy it. You've got to find the positive moments in your life every day.


i love bryz.

yea i really thought he would work out here, but tgey did the right thing with that amnesty
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 5 @ 6:57 AM ET
Off to Key West today!!!

At least I get to watch the Flyers suck in paradise!!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 5 @ 6:59 AM ET
laughton plays a bit more edgier and shows more of a killer instinct...yea im with you
- JoeRussomanno


Yeah, if they can land McDavid or Eichel, I wouldn't be opposed to moving Couturier for a young scoring winger with speed
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 7:18 AM ET
Yeah, if they can land McDavid or Eichel, I wouldn't be opposed to moving Couturier for a young scoring winger with speed
- BiggE

i wouldnt be opposed to that now really...logjam at center and with vinny burger we have to blackholes that need compensating for.

have a nice trip!
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:44 AM ET
Off to Key West today!!!

At least I get to watch the Flyers suck in paradise!!

- BiggE


Safe travels, my friend. Enjoy!
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 5 @ 7:50 AM ET
I've gotta wonder if Cody Franson could be had this summer. He's 3.3 Million now, a UFA at the end of this season at age 27. He's 6'5" point machine from the blue line who averages 20 minutes a night.
- SuperSchennBros


He's this year's Niskanen... gonna get way more $ than he's worth. Yes, points... but the guys a bad skater and isn't great on D. Basically Kurtis Foster in his prime.

I'd rather identify a guy who hasn't broken out yet, like they managed to do w Coburn, or a guy who's stock is down, like MDZ, versus paying out the nose for a guy who's perceived value is temporarily throught the roof, like they did w Bryz and AMac.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 5 @ 7:54 AM ET
Off to Key West today!!!

At least I get to watch the Flyers suck in paradise!!

- BiggE


Hope you can find your way out of the terminal....

Have a safe trip and enjoy
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 5 @ 7:59 AM ET
So yeah... Wings' albatross has 9pts in 7-games since coming out of the press box, and is relishing the move from center to wing:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...njoy-winging-it/216/64552

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